1 hour ago, Franko said:

I always like to think early Carla and Sadie are the missing link in this pattern.

Good point!

Just a reminder that the handwritten month and year is the issue date of Daytime TV. They did not specify which weeks these ratings are for but we can conclude that they are a few months behind. Santa Barbara doesn’t show up until the 1/85 issue. 

14 hours ago, pdm1974 said:

Good point!

Carla & Sadie from OLTL?

 

So, Tots Sum is

AW Rachel & Ada

AMC Erica & Mona

LOV Ava & ?

 

Aggie had a real serious pattern going on there!

So, if the January 1985 entry corresponds to (approximately) August 1984, that means that from March 1985 onward, we'll be able to track October 1984 and the effects of the Ryan's Hope/Loving rotation.

 

Look at Y&R pulling ahead there. Related to Victor & Nikki's wedding, I'm guessing. A harbinger of things to come.

 

 

So regarding these monthly 1984 ratings, what month did GL supposedly hit #1 at?

 

Interesting to see ATWT get to #3, I'm guess that must have been Whit McColl's murder and Fulton returning as Lisa. 

On 10/19/2019 at 2:50 AM, Wendy said:

Wasn't "Loving" ABC owned versus "Ryan's Hope", which I think was perhaps partially owned by the Labines? (I think I recall ABC did buy the latter later?) If so, I can see, even if I don't agree with it, why ABC had a preference for "Loving".

 

When Bell created B&B, he pretty much made the demand that the show get aired directly aired after Y&R. I wonder if Loving would have been a lot more successful had Nixon asked for the same. 

 

As for RH, oddly enough ABC let their #1 affiliate in the nation WPVI have a separate live 11:30 AM feed for RH, perhaps if ABC had just scheduled RH at 11:30 AM ET instead of 12ET it wouldn't have been pre-empited as much. 

Just now, Donna B said:

The Avengers:  Patrick McNee died last year. Diana Rigg is still alive.

I'm thinking it would be the entry for Sept. 1984, which I believe corresponds with April 1984. Notice that GL is in second place for the month and within distance of GH.

20 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

So regarding these monthly 1984 ratings, what month did GL supposedly hit #1 at?

 

Interesting to see ATWT get to #3, I'm guess that must have been Whit McColl's murder and Fulton returning as Lisa. 

GL never hit #1 in 1984. That is such a myth. But they did beat GH for 3 weeks. (Y&R was #1 during those 3 weeks) Unfortunately the Daytime TV magazine ratings snapshot missed those 3 weeks that GL beat GH. 

Edited October 20, 20196 yr by VanessaReardon

Donna, will you please stop posting stuff that is completely irrelevant to the thread which you post it in!!

This behaviour is childish!

 

15 minutes ago, VanessaReardon said:

GL never hit #1 in 1984. That is such a myth. But they did beat GH for 3 weeks. (Y&R was #1 during those 3 weeks) Unfortunately the Daytime TV magazine ratings snapshot missed those 3 weeks that GL beat GH. 

Ah, thank you for clearing that up. For whatever reason, I was getting the impression these snapshots were meant to show the monthly average.

14 minutes ago, Franko said:

I'm thinking it would be the entry for Sept. 1984, which I believe corresponds with April 1984. Notice that GL is in second place for the month and within distance of GH.

 

I see what you mean! For the record, I do have the hard copy of SOD from 1998 when doing a profile of GL states specifically that GL hit #1 briefly in 1984.  

15 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

 

I see what you mean! For the record, I do have the hard copy of SOD from 1998 when doing a profile of GL states specifically that GL hit #1 briefly in 1984.  

It’s a long time ago but I want to say it was July 1984. Entertainment Tonight did a story about the ratings.

1 hour ago, soapfan770 said:

When Bell created B&B, he pretty much made the demand that the show get aired directly aired after Y&R. I wonder if Loving would have been a lot more successful had Nixon asked for the same.

Oh, yeah, I think so!

19 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

It’s a long time ago but I want to say it was July 1984. Entertainment Tonight did a story about the ratings.

Yes, they did. And they said that GL beat GH in the ratings for 3 weeks in a row, not that GL was #1. 

Edited October 20, 20196 yr by VanessaReardon

2 hours ago, Franko said:

Look at Y&R pulling ahead there. Related to Victor & Nikki's wedding, I'm guessing. A harbinger of things to come.

The GOAT wedding was April 1984, and not long after the seeds were planted for the eternal feud and eternal triangle.

 

1 hour ago, soapfan770 said:

When Bell created B&B, he pretty much made the demand that the show get aired directly aired after Y&R. 

If Bill Bell didn't get the post-Y&R timeslot for B&B, do you think he would've taken both shows to another network?

 

Apparently during the 1985/1986 season, Mark Goodson demanded that CBS give Bob Eubanks's Card Sharks the pre-The Price is Right timeslot then occupied by Press Your Luck otherwise he'd take both TPiR and Card Sharks to another network so CBS caved as they didn't want to lose their #1 game show (I think TPiR was also CBS's top rated daytime program but I could be wrong). As we all know, Press Your Luck was sent to the 4 pm ET death slot in January 1986 where it remained until it was cancelled that September, thus CBS being the last network to program the 4 pm ET slot.

 

So during the 1980s CBS caved to Mark Goodson and Bill Bell but not to P&G. Imagine if CBS lost TPiR in 1986 and Y&R/B&B in 1987. I would guess their daytime division wouldn't survive past the 1990s. That 11 am-130 pm ET lineup of TPiR/local news/Y&R/B&B played a big part in CBS being the #1 daytime network.

 

 

Edited October 20, 20196 yr by kalbir