Going in it definitely looks a lot better for fans of OLTL than fans of AMC. OWN is just doing a quick summer rerun at the moment. Time slots mean nothing. The numbers and fans watching means everything. Some AMC fans don't see Erica but OLTL has their matriarch in Erica Slezak and after watching a few shows AMC fans are seeing that it is a fractured show, a shell of its former self with a skeleton cast. No Tad, no Rylee or Zendall, No Erica and the Hubbard family without Frankie. Well there are too many missing pieces and parts of AMC. Fans from other websites have decided to just leave the show alone and have walked away. It is sad too.

I really don't know how Ginger Smith is going to save AMC and start doing what she and the writers are going to have to do to get back a key percentage of fans to want to watch the show again giving the lack of airtime and airdates. The rapid aging of the children, the 5 year gap thing, whatever it is that has hurt the show, making it too much The David Hayward show and not enough of All My Children, backburning too many storylines for the sex trafficking storyline. No doubt, there are many elements missing from the show. Ginger Smith did admit sadly that they can't bring everyone back and that might just hurt worse in the long run of the show, generally speaking. She admitted that there cannot be any room for error when they get back to work on Aug. 12. She knows this next round is the make or break of the show. Like I said, it just might be the wisest thing to just reboot the reboot and start all over again. The new writing team simply going in a different direction and doing what they have to do to erase all the mistakes being made right now with these episodes we are watching right now from the fired writing team. Something really has to change to save the show and get fans interested again to want to watch the show. Fans on websites saying they would love to see Angie and Jesse happy for at least 5 minutes. Angie crying is burning out the fans. Fans seem to be dissatisfied in some way or the other, thus the ratings/numbers thing.

OLTL looking much much stronger going into their next round of block filming for sure. Bringing on key actors from GL and ATWT to help strengthen too. AMC has got their work cut out for them and it might be the wisest thing for the new writers to go over the scripts they are prepping for and maybe even a meeting with Agnes Nixon, Ginger Smith and just restart the show all over again. Something is seemingly off, way off.

Time slots do mean something- they're key for getting the numbers & fans watching. And yes, OLTL does have more of its ABC cast in place & started with a bang with Victor but honestly, I think AMC felt a lot more like old school AMC the first week or two even with new faces. With all the Shelter stuff, I pretty much had to cry/beg my mom and my aunt to keep watching even though they love Viki & Dorian etc. (She's loving the show currently finally). And I'm not a P&G soap aficionado, but do these new OLTL actors have the kind of following that will bring significant numbers of fans to the show? I hope they do but I'm just not seeing that as a major leg up over AMC>

I don't think they need to reboot the reboot at all- and I seriously doubt they will since they just promoted the scriptwriters who have been writing the episodes we've been seeing. Seeing Angie/Jesse happy right now wouldn't work after what they've been through the past few months- I'm sure they'll get there eventually. And if rapid aging of the children caused people to tune out, they must not have been longtime soap fans. Finally, Vincent Irrizzary has logged I think as many years actually on AMC as Darnell Williams- David Hayward is not some newbie being shoved down our throats- we've known him for 15 years. More recent fans (like those Rylee/Zendall fans you always mention) have more history with David than with Jesse. And he doesn't monopolize the show- certainly not more than the Angie/Jesse story does or Miranda/AJ or Pete/Celia did in the first month.

Honestly, with no promotion and a crazy schedule, I don't think there's much sense to be made of the OWN numbers & I certainly don't think they speak to the quality of either show or one over the other.

Edited July 20, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

The schedule was bad and confusing. Not to mention the lack of promotion on both parts.

However I think those ratings leave things at a tossup. Does OWN stick with them despite similar ratings to other (cheaper?) programming reruns? I would hope so but I think it will be a case of wait and see.

In all honesty the shows were rushed on the air to OWN after the announcement. It is summer. The timeslots should be later. It all probably contributed IMO.

Yeah, the schedule was weird for the first day with AMC airing at noon EST. The fact that Marc Berman said these numbers were unusable since there was no context given makes me put little faith in them anyway.

Linda, MANY OLTL fans have said the same thing about their show. They have Vicki and Dorian, but otherwise SOOO many fan faves are gone. I think it depends on your perspective.

Definitely and we know that Linda's hoping the show fails without Jesse being a one-dimensional hero and Rylee, Zendall reunited.

Time slots don't mean nothing- they're key for getting the numbers & fans watching. And yes, OLTL does have more of its ABC cast in place & started with a bang with Victor but honestly, I think AMC felt a lot more like old school AMC the first week or two even with new faces. With all the Shelter stuff, I pretty much had to cry/beg my mom and my aunt to keep watching even though they love Viki & Dorian etc. (She's loving the show currently finally). And I'm not a P&G soap aficionado, but do these new OLTL actors have the kind of following that will bring significant numbers of fans to the show? I hope they do but I'm just not seeing that as a major leg up over AMC>

I don't think they need to reboot the reboot at all- and I seriously doubt they will since they just promoted the scriptwriters who have been writing the episodes we've been seeing. Seeing Angie/Jesse happy right now wouldn't work after what they've been through the past few months- I'm sure they'll get there eventually. And if rapid aging of the children caused people to tune out, they must not have been longtime soap fans. Finally, Vincent Irrizzary has logged I think as many years actually on AMC as Darnell Williams- David Hayward is not some newbie being shoved down our throats- we've known him for 15 years. More recent fans (like those Rylee/Zendall fans you always mention) have a more history with David than with Jesse. And he doesn't monopolize the show- certainly not more than the Angie/Jesse story does or Miranda/AJ or Pete/Celia did in the first month.

Honestly, with no promotion and a crazy schedule, I don't think there's much sense to be made of the OWN numbers & I certainly don't think they speak to the quality of either show or one over the other.

+1! Tell the people behind Ryan's Hope that the noon timeslot will bring in as many viewers as 12:30.

I hope OWN makes more of an effort to advertise both shows in the future, but I'm waiting to see if we get full numbers for the new episodes all week before getting too worked up over it.

Linda expends so much energy creating this artificial reality based on her anger over Angie and Jesse's story, but nothing she says has any basis in fact. It astonishes me.

OLTL looking much much stronger going into their next round of block filming for sure. Bringing on key actors from GL and ATWT to help strengthen too. AMC has got their work cut out for them and it might be the wisest thing for the new writers to go over the scripts they are prepping for and maybe even a meeting with Agnes Nixon, Ginger Smith and just restart the show all over again. Something is seemingly off, way off.``

What is seeming off? How long have you watched OLTL vs AMC? And do you not think Agnes Nixon--from everything we've been told--is NOT going over these scripts??

Time slots do mean something- they're key for getting the numbers & fans watching. And yes, OLTL does have more of its ABC cast in place & started with a bang with Victor but honestly, I think AMC felt a lot more like old school AMC the first week or two even with new faces. With all the Shelter stuff, I pretty much had to cry/beg my mom and my aunt to keep watching even though they love Viki & Dorian etc. (She's loving the show currently finally). And I'm not a P&G soap aficionado, but do these new OLTL actors have the kind of following that will bring significant numbers of fans to the show? I hope they do but I'm just not seeing that as a major leg up over AMC>

I don't think they need to reboot the reboot at all- and I seriously doubt they will since they just promoted the scriptwriters who have been writing the episodes we've been seeing. Seeing Angie/Jesse happy right now wouldn't work after what they've been through the past few months- I'm sure they'll get there eventually. And if rapid aging of the children caused people to tune out, they must not have been longtime soap fans. Finally, Vincent Irrizzary has logged I think as many years actually on AMC as Darnell Williams- David Hayward is not some newbie being shoved down our throats- we've known him for 15 years. More recent fans (like those Rylee/Zendall fans you always mention) have more history with David than with Jesse. And he doesn't monopolize the show- certainly not more than the Angie/Jesse story does or Miranda/AJ or Pete/Celia did in the first month.

Honestly, with no promotion and a crazy schedule, I don't think there's much sense to be made of the OWN numbers & I certainly don't think they speak to the quality of either show or one over the other.

Bravo (Brava? I've already been told off for assuming gender on here...) AMC creatively speaking is in an insanely healthy place--and I think OLTL is too. Linda, I just can't fathom viewers like you who shake their head at every scene when Jesse and Angie don't get along....Do you watch soaps for comfort food--to just tune in and see your favorite couple hugging on the couch? And, since you're so worried about viewers, do you think that will bring in any new (or even keep old) viewers?

The show has brilliantly been centered around Jesse and Angie right now--and I think that's played out well for them. They are a core focus of the show, and in so many respects that's amazing. (it's ironic that OWN's own creation The Haves and Have Nots has such a Gone with the Wind view of how blacks and whites interact...)But I don't want them to retire to Ruth/Joe town, like that coupling was in the 80s, yet. I'm shocked that you seem to want exactly that.

Edited July 20, 201312 yr by EricMontreal22

Here are the day by day ratings for both

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/27796/all-my-children-one-life-to-live-on-own-ratings-scorecard-week-of-july-15/

The bad scheduling obviously had a bad effect on Tuesday's ratings. Viewers probably had no idea what time it was airing. OLTL rebounded the next day while AMC didn't until Thursday. Thursday was OLTL's most watched day so I hope they keep building.

Here are the day by day ratings for both

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/27796/all-my-children-one-life-to-live-on-own-ratings-scorecard-week-of-july-15/

The bad scheduling obviously had a bad effect on Tuesday's ratings. Viewers probably had no idea what time it was airing. OLTL rebounded the next day while AMC didn't until Thursday. Thursday was OLTL's most watched day so I hope they keep building.

It looks not great but with airing 3 of the week's four new eps on the premiere Monday, I don't know what to make of it. Plus the back to back eps 1 & 1:30 and 3 & 3:30 eps are the same episode so if you add them together then its better totals unless of course some people just watch twice. Oy vey. I have a headache from trying to do math. Happy to see or at least I think OLTL seemed to grow over the week. Interested to see what they do this week with the new eps spaced out over 4 days rather than frontloaded on Monday.

Just saw Soap Opera Digest is labeling summer fling off to a "strong start" according to the ratings on OWN.

Edited July 23, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

Just averaging the new episodes for the week AMC had a slight edge over OLTL (121, 429 vs. 110,429). I am not sure what these ratings reallymean but the scheduling is terrible IMO. I watch both soaps on hulu plus and will continue doing so.

Friday's wrong, right--the little asterix wasn't actually a new episode?

How does this compare to what OWN was normally receiving in those timeslots?

Headache inducing, indeed. It looks like the numbers aren't bad compared to previous weeks with different programming (but sometimes that included a movie and sometimes not?? ) Just pair the new episodes back to back--how hard is that to do. 1-2 AMC/OLTL 3-4 AMC/OLTL repeat, or whatever.

I think OWN is just trying to fill the slots in the afternoon, but it's just too confusing to do it that way.

I think OWN is just trying to fill the slots in the afternoon, but it's just too confusing to do it that way.

I agree- I don't think this is helpful for the non Internet fans who are just now figuring out the show is back- I met a bunch of senior citizen 40 year ABC fans in the hair salon over the weekend who had no clue AMC/OLTL were back but were thrilled to try it on OWN. I'm sure they were confused by constant repeats.

But if thats the goal is just filling space, maybe the ratings threshold is super low.

Here are the day by day ratings for both

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/27796/all-my-children-one-life-to-live-on-own-ratings-scorecard-week-of-july-15/

The bad scheduling obviously had a bad effect on Tuesday's ratings. Viewers probably had no idea what time it was airing. OLTL rebounded the next day while AMC didn't until Thursday. Thursday was OLTL's most watched day so I hope they keep building.

I am an optimist. First, it seems as if people for both shows figured out the schedual fairly quickly. The last two on Friday on AMC are in the 6 figures isn't surprising because people who were confused and missed the episodes got caught up on Friday. Anyway, because the week ended strongly on both shows I am sure word of mouth will bring up the ratings fairly quickly. Either way you have to start somewhere. I think this may have been a good move because they have more ratings than just airing one episode on each day. That said, once they begin hitting half a million they should pair them down or do what EricM22 said.

Just averaging the new episodes for the week AMC had a slight edge over OLTL (121, 429 vs. 110,429). I am not sure what these ratings reallymean but the scheduling is terrible IMO. I watch both soaps on hulu plus and will continue doing so.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm flaming the old AMC versus OLTL fan wars, but it makes me happy to see AMC bring in the most viewers overall for all the airings and for all the episodes on the first day after those fake ratings last week and the doom and gloom certain posters derived from them.

Headache inducing, indeed. It looks like the numbers aren't bad compared to previous weeks with different programming (but sometimes that included a movie and sometimes not?? ) Just pair the new episodes back to back--how hard is that to do. 1-2 AMC/OLTL 3-4 AMC/OLTL repeat, or whatever.

That would make more sense than airing the same AMC and OLTL episode twice in a row each day.