By the time he shows up with his camp and throwaway history mentions, the audience is basically made up of victims of Battered Soap Viewer Syndrome who are just happy to have a writer who doesn't punch them in the face and throw them down the stairs anymore.

Must we bring Todd and Tea into every conversation? (Just kidding, marceline. You know I love and agree with you 100 percent.)

Let's put it this way: whether it's OLTL or GH, Ronnie C. makes Leah Laiman's solo HW'ing stint at DAYS look...smart.

Lies.

I wouldn't say it's a lie, Eric. But again, it's hard to say Higley's OLTL was better than Ronnie C.'s, or vice-versa, because they were both so damn awful.

There was quite a few things wrong with this hack, but my biggest problem was Spencer Truman, the year OLTL died. She spent an entire year telling this man's story, and much like Connie/Kate, it changed each week with none of it making any sense. Paul Satterfield was heinous - on every day and the character's name was coming out of everyone's mouth. It was the worst I'd ever seen OL (until Ron came along). I thought Spencer's story would never wrap up. Dena and Frank really took OLTL to the dogs that year. I'm trying to figure out who Paul was messing around with, Dena or Frank? They thew away the gay politician story (Nora's husband was a closeted gay man having an affair with his son's best friend - who throws this story away?) to spend a year, A YEAR, on Spencer Truman. I'm still traumatized. I never want to see her name attached to a soap again! NEVER!

Don't you know? Spencer is really a much alive Paul Hornsby!

LOL you should have seen one episode of OLTL they had a character in nothing but a speedo the whole episode.

I miss Cutter

Barf!!!!

Just the thought of a Spinelli baby

I wonder if they will go for a Who's the Mother storyline, with us not knowing who's eggs were implanted, Maxie or Lulu

I miss Cutter

Me too. I still want him to come to GH and try to romance Tracy or Monica but it would all be a con.

So I was ALL for shirtless Patrick & Michael on Fri.'s show! lol. The Carly/Michael scenes were a hot mess, though . . . but I guess they have a very erratic relationship, and very erratic personalities.

Tell me why you feel this way, please? I thought the scenes were really good. LW and CD work really well as mother and son - very good chem (and aren't you happy we didn't have to see Pluto dry-humping Michael). However, the writing for Michael is really bugging me. I want to be upset with him, but I can't because it's not the character's fault the writing is failing him. Michael's words to Carly didn't bug me so much as he's always let her have it worse than Sonny (sexist jackass) and Carly can be very overbearing. My problem with Michael is his treatment of Sonny. This does not jive with what we've seen over the years. Michael will protect Sonny above all else. Being curious about AJ is one thing, but tossing his parents aside [so quickly] makes no sense.

I do believe while watching "The Battle For Michael", we will have to operate off of the potential of the story. This will get us thru the suckage/writing.

Shirtless Patrick and Michael? Two of the scrawniest dudes on Daytime. Give me Shawn and Jason. I'm gonna be so happy when Chad Duell starts hitting the gym. I swear that dude just looks liike a carton of milk to me.

Me too. I still want him to come to GH and try to romance Tracy or Monica but it would all be a con.

that was my dream crossover for him as well. It would have worked too and fit perfectly with his character. I would have seen him romance Monica first wtih Tracy doing her best to break them up and get rid of him, only to get conned herself

Don't you know? Spencer is really a much alive Paul Hornsby!

Good lord!

Same, Chit.

Must we bring Todd and Tea into every conversation? (Just kidding, marceline. You know I love and agree with you 100 percent.)

Ha! I didn't event think about Todd/Tea. That's another example of how I think Todd Manning was one of the worst things that ever happened to the genre.

For all the Best/Worst lists we've seen, I'd be intrigued to see what people thought were the most damaging things to happen to the genre. I know it would be a lot of fanbase stuff and I'd even be guilty of some myself but I think there are things that have happened on various shows or behind the scenes that not only damaged the individual shows but the genre as a whole. I count Todd as one of those things even as I admit to loving that character at various times. One of my biggest regrets as a soap fan is how much I helped turn Todd Manning into a hero.

That's another example of how I think Todd Manning was one of the worst things that ever happened to the genre.

For me, The Right Cross Heard 'Round the World was the ultimate deal-breaker. Forget the gang rape and everything that came after; any soap that dares to 1) keep such a bastard on-screen even for five seconds after he hits a woman and 2) continue perpetuating the stupid notion of him as some tortured, romantic anti-hero has whatever misfortune that comes to it...including cancellation.

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What I don't understand is Guza being blamed for the fact that RC and his team don't know how to write for characters. There is no character development whatsoever.

Shirtless Patrick and Michael? Two of the scrawniest dudes on Daytime. Give me Shawn and Jason. I'm gonna be so happy when Chad Duell starts hitting the gym. I swear that dude just looks liike a carton of milk to me.

They are both unappealing to me as actors and their looks leave alot to be desired. Sad part is CD does hit the gym. He boxes with MB and DZ.

Edited December 9, 201213 yr by chicklitsandfantasies

As I've said before, RC is not a character writer. I can't pinpoint any specific character he's written with proper development, depth, and complexity.

He's a strictly plot writer, and even there, a very questionable one.

Are they going to have Bambi traipsing around in a different colored pair of undies every week now? ;-P

I hope so!!! LOL

As I've said before, RC is not a character writer. I can't pinpoint any specific character he's written with proper development, depth, and complexity.

He's a strictly plot writer, and even there, a very questionable one.

+1

What I don't understand is Guza being blamed for the fact that RC and his team don't know how to write for characters. There is no character development whatsoever.

Basically, Ronnie C. is like JER on speed. However, JER still knew how to tell a story, with a beginning, middle, and strong climax, no matter how cardboard his characters tended to be.