Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Guza was a lot of things, but at least his GH had some identity to it instead of lame fanfic cliches and oversold bad camp. I don't like him, but when Guza did something right, it was better than anything Cartini has ever produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 I said earlier I never liked Guza's teenboy tits and guns GH fantasy, but he knew how to tell a story. Except when those with more power stepped in and pulled his stories partway through, Guza's stories had a beginning, a middle and an end. I thought Guza was pretty misogynistic, but he's a marshmallow compared to what is on GH now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChitHappens Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Cartooni are trash non writers, and the GH fans got the screws put to us. Nothing cartooni has ever done on any soap was/is as good as Guza's worst! GH fans deserve our ending and not with these damn interlopers! I will never forgive ABCd for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 There was a lot of anger and bickering over people who felt the show was still good and people who thought it sucked. A number of those posters aren't here now (I do miss MarkH, even though I was probably not fair to him as he was trying to enjoy the show). This went into a lot of tangents, and the threads were split, to talk about day to day Y&R and to talk about more general comments on the writers and the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Eventually, the feeling passes and you're left with no emotional attachment or care for a show you used to love, which was my whole experience with the Y&R debacle. I haven't watched the show in like 3 years and I do not miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 I never had that emotional attachment to Y&R, the way I did with ATWT/GL, but I just couldn't stand seeing Sheffer praised for wrecking another soap. Eventually the tides did turn, not just here, but on most boards. No amount of perfume can cover such constant [!@#$%^&*]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Remember the constant excuses we were fed (especially network interference and somebody else's idea at the show) by Sheffer apologists and his inner-circle of mouthpieces like Tom Casiello for why the material they was appearing on DAYS/Y&R was not Sheffer's fault? Then Sheffer ended up recycling the same brand of s.hit from show to and show and those excuses became more and more unlikely. Similarly, almost a year after he's been gone from the show, Guza is still being blamed for mistakes with current stories on GH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 I think MAB always gets more blame than Sheffer, even when it is clearly his work, but then, she is the one who went out and did all the interviews. I don't disagree with blaming Guza for GH's core problems but when you say how fantastic GH is now (when they still basically use lousier versions of his plots) and then say well, it's still not good because of him, then it cancels itself out. I don't think I can ever forget the genius of "Jack Abbott, black rabbit" and "cut the crap!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 I missed Y&R horribly at first, but I got past that. I haven't been tempted to watch or even to know what's going on with the show for a long time. I admit it bothers me a bit to say that because I loved it at one time and watched every day. It's too awful now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 I don't disagree that Guza altered the entire structure of this show in ways that are not repairable. But when he's still getting blamed for current character direction and current plots, something isn't right there. For example, it clearly wasn't just Guza who loved Sonny, Jason and Carly, and when you add the poorly drawn "invaders" into the mix, it doesn't exactly make for a fluid show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Kind of off topic but why did CBS want Jack Smith and Kay Alden replaced? And was there a feeling LML in some sense reenergized Y&R for a time or has she just been considered an utter disaster from day 1? I remember MAB getting a heap of praise her first 6 months to a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frequentsoapfan Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Whenever I think of LML I think of Dru's horribly excuted death that was like nails on a chalkboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 LML sucked, but what happened to Alden and Smith? They seem like writing geniuses in retrospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Why were they fired was my question? Did someone have a thing for LML? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 7, 2012 Members Share Posted June 7, 2012 Wasn't Barbara Bloom fond of the Lathams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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