I just find it dumb for people to consider either Todd anything other than the sociopaths they both are/were. It's why I enjoy the character(s) and for either to be made out to be better than the other is just blind ignorance.

I don't think they are sociopaths.

But I've long held out both can be cruel SOBs and abusers.

I am finding RH's Todd the bigger raging hypocrite because he pretended such moral outrage over TSJ's handling of Jack. He sounded more like Kevin Buchanan than Todd Manning.

Did RH always play Todd like this? I watched basically his entire run, through some truly awful storylines, but--as wrong headed as I find this current material--if ANYONE talked to me the way he's talking to EVERYONE right now when he lies--that tone of voice, inflection, everything, I would never ever believe he was telling the truth.

It's making everyone outside of Tea and John look like idiots.

Is it just RH unhappy with the material? For all the ways TSJ played Todd as a joke--which partly I attributed to apathy with crap material and partly to laziness--it was never this non-comitted.

Is it just RH unhappy with the material? For all the ways TSJ played Todd as a joke--which partly I attributed to apathy with crap material and partly to laziness--it was never this non-comitted.

I still remember TSJ looking asleep during the supposedly critical scenes where Todd was "redeemed" by giving Marty her memory back.

RH and TSJ both have a long history of putting a tin can to their ear and walking as far as away as possible. That's why I have no idea what to say when I hear comments like this feud should have gone on for years, why oh why did they not keep them both, they were the new Viki and Dorian. Unless Viki and Dorian were played by JPL in dual roles it wouldn't reach the same level of "I'm over this sh!t."

It's making everyone outside of Tea and John look like idiots.

Nothing new there.

I admit that's a valid point. I guess in general I'm just over the character Ewen Mcgregor or a back from the dead Monty Clift, or any other favorite actor of mine could come into the role and I wouldn't care.

I admit that's a valid point. I guess in general I'm just over the character Ewen Mcgregor or a back from the dead Monty Clift, or any other favorite actor of mine could come into the role and I wouldn't care.

I'm tired of noble rapists and the angst of it all. I'm sorry that this has become some type of legacy for OLTL.

You forgot RHTodd kidnapped Sam and then left him all alone in a seedy motel room. Since then, he's ignored him for months then used him once to play at "good guy" to snow Blair.

No I didnt. I do mention it in a later post

Father of the Year.

Ovaries flip flopping Todd & Sam <3

Why am I watching David Vickers on a talk show?

That goofy-ass exchange between Todd and Blair makes me long for the return of the Dead Baby Lie.

Todd & Blair and my heart pitter patters

I swear Todd & Sam are the cutest ever, the boy who plays Sam is so damn cute!

This stuff with the talk show is dumb. Trying to force someone to save FR panders to the crazies in real life who tried to do the same

I cannot believe they've turned a highly sensitive and emotionally charged beat like Matthew/Destiny into more fodder for this "Fraternity Row" crap that's eating the whole damn show.

Oh, what am I saying. This is OLTL. Of course I can believe it.

WTH is this ish between Todd and Blair? Are they deliberately making us prefer the days when Todd would deck a woman to prove his love for her?

OMG Roxy *dies* "Who's asking you to do it with a dead person" after nepotism is mentioned