We all here on the baord praise soap past greats such as Doug Marland, Harding Lemay, Henry Sleasar, Bill Bell, Agens nixion etc. Did these great ever writers write any story flops? If so which stories were they?

Yeah, Karen was Cindy's short-lived "bad" twin.

Whether some of us defend certain aspects of it or not, I doubt you'll take [!@#$%^&*] for that--a LOT of people at least partially agree.

It's more that I was/am expecting people to jump to its defense simply because of who wrote it. Like AN and LB can't write sh*t storylines, because they're AMC royalty. Fact is, they can and IMO, they did. They ruined David for me and that was a hard thing to do, seeing as I loved him for over 13 years.

Yeah, Karen was Cindy's short-lived "bad" twin.

Sounds like such a mistake, though it also sounds like she didn't do much...

It's more that I was/am expecting people to jump to its defense simply because of who wrote it. Like AN and LB can't write sh*t storylines, because they're AMC royalty. Fact is, they can and IMO, they did. They ruined David for me and that was a hard thing to do, seeing as I loved him for over 13 years.

I get that though we personally disagree there--I liked David under their writing more than I had in quite a while--my issues were with other aspects of the story.

^I just saw him with no heart, especially when LB was hinting that he put Erica in the panic room and that he was basically drugging Dixie and holding her hostage. Two things which were completely OOC.

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by Kylie

how about claire labine and madame mya on GH!

^I just saw him with no heart, especially when LB was hinting that he put Erica in the panic room and that he was basically drugging Dixie and holding her hostage. Two things which were completely OCC.

And forgotten about--I orgot that

^I just saw him with no heart, especially when LB was hinting that he put Erica in the panic room and that he was basically drugging Dixie and holding her hostage. Two things which were completely OOC.

THIS.

And even though I completely understand WHY they went this way (series is ending, undo all the absurd, damaging [!@#$%^&*] that insulted fans in recent years etc.) it was possibly the most absurd way to go about it.

how about claire labine and madame mya on GH!

Claire is a very good writer but a lot of her stories were all over the place, although I guess that can be blamed on network interference. Some that couldn't, and which even she derided later on, would be things like Tom's tumor on Ryan's Hope.

^That aside, LB made Erica and Dixie neighbors in Oakhaven, all but said "Oh look how shiny, David put Erica in that panic room, and bankrolled Jane" and then NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. One scene where Erica accused David of maybe doing it, stabbed him, he's laying there bleeding pleading for her not to be arrested and then....she just left it. Gaping holes. And we never did learn why Dixie was so afraid of David or what he actually did to her. Ugh. That whole thing pissed me off beyond belief.

Claire is a very good writer but a lot of her stories were all over the place, although I guess that can be blamed on network interference. Some that couldn't, and which even she derided later on, would be things like Tom's tumor on Ryan's Hope.

Ignorant Beeby time! What was this Tom's tumor storyline about and why was it so dreadful? (also when?)

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by beebs

Tom Desmond, probably one of the worst conceived characters in RH's first years, began to become angry and violent and paranoid. He believed his wife Faith was still in love with her ex, Pat. He began seeing visions of HIS dead ex, Teresa ("Terry" as he called her). Alexandra Neil, in a wandering Irish brogue, asked "Tommy" to kill Faith. He sabotaged the railings on the second floor, which led to hilarious scenes of Faith dangling. He finally took her up to a remote wooded area (nice location shots though) and left her to die in some underground cellar, leading to day after day after day after day of Faith going: "TOM? DADDY!!! PAT?? DADDY!!!!"

This led to Tom's tumor being operated on, which led to blindness, and then he did not know his blindness counselor was the long lost, American-accented twin of his old love Teresa. This was cut short and within a few months Tom fell off a kitchen stool and died in the hospital via negligence.

On-screen, though, it wasn't as bad as it sounds.

It was worse.

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by Khan

This was 1978-1979.

And we never did learn why Dixie was so afraid of David or what he actually did to her.

He probably forced her to watch this:

Tom Desmond, probably one of the worst conceived characters in RH's first years, began to become angry and violent and paranoid. He believed his wife Faith was still in love with her ex, Pat. He began seeing visions of HIS dead ex, Teresa ("Terry" as he called her). Alexandra Neil, in a wandering Irish brogue, asked "Tommy" to kill Faith. He sabotaged the railings on the second floor, which led to hilarious scenes of Faith dangling. He finally took her up to a remote wooded area (nice location shots though) and left her to die in some underground cellar, leading to day after day after day after day of Faith going: "TOM? DADDY!!! PAT?? DADDY!!!!"

This led to Tom's tumor being operated on, which led to blindness, and then he did not know his blindness counselor was the long lost, American-accented twin of his old love Teresa. This was cut short and within a few months Tom fell off a kitchen stool and died in the hospital via negligence.

You know...I love Claire. But this...this is the stuff of parody.

Thanks again Carl for your amazing info. I can't believe at the age of 25 I've managed to miss almost all of soaps' greatest years (and as evidenced by this, some of the greatest turkeys as well).

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by beebs