I don't really count that considering what a bad producer Ellen Wheeler was. She tried everything and it was a disaster Peapack or not.

Point taken.

Say what you will, but we will never have another Ellen Wheeler. She is truly one of a kind. For all the wrong reasons, but still one of a kind.

Say what you will, but we will never have another Ellen Wheeler.

From your mouth to God's ear.

I can agree with that all

ABC Owns GH and wont sell it so when it ends,

However YR &B&Bare Owned By Bell Studios and Days is owned by Sony who also owns a piece of YR sothe comapnies xould try and sell to another station wheter broadcast or cable

To clarify.

B&B is owned by Bell-Phillip Television, 100% Bell owned and operated.

Y&R is owned, in majority, by Sony Pictures Television, Bell Dramatic Serial Company is a production partner and Corday Productions with an extreme minority share.

DAYS is owned, in majority, by Corday Productions, Sony Pictures Television is a minority production partner.

So when Moonves was talking about the end of the "client-owned soap", I guess there was some going on over at Y&R and B&B.

When I think the final four will go (in date order):

General Hospital: April 2013

Days: November 2015

B&B: March 2017

Y&R: March 2018

So when Moonves was talking about the end of the "client-owned soap", I guess there was some going on over at Y&R and B&B.

Yeah, Moonves usually makes very coherent public statements...but the "client owned soap" thing was a WTF. The only thing I'm wondering is perhaps "client owned" meant "a soap owned by an advertiser"...?

When I think the final four will go (in date order):

General Hospital: April 2013

Days: November 2015

B&B: March 2017

Y&R: March 2018

GH will be gone before 2013. I don't see any soaps lasting past 2015.

GH: 2012

DAYS: 2015 (I think NBC will let them continue for its 50th)

B&B: 2015

Y&R: 2016

Yeah, Moonves usually makes very coherent public statements...but the "client owned soap" thing was a WTF. The only thing I'm wondering is perhaps "client owned" meant "a soap owned by an advertiser"...?

I think he must have meant P&G. Did he also talk about "special" soaps that would continue and people figured that had to be the Bell soaps?

When Wheeler cut the cast, she got rid of the wrong people...and then it became even more of a mess.

Yes I thought client owned referenced P&G specifically, while Sony etc is not an advertiser.

I wish shows would try to cut their budgets too and trim casts. But, instead of letting go A popular fan fave and pissing off that person's fans, the show should cut down the 'extras' and when a cast member that is popular leaves on his/her own just leave it that way without having to find a replacement. Too many times shows get rid of 'a name' just to hire another 'name' and all it does is upset the current audience.

Of course, this will hurt shows if they are too character focused on one or two characters (GH Sonny and Jason, for example) and then if they leave the show it wouldn't work. The shows also need GOOD writers that know how to balance.

To the best of my knowledge, B&B is the most popular television show in the world. Its domestic popularity is waning, but people overseas still crave it. The advances in internet technology combined with the business savvy of the Bell family will mean that a CBS cancellation cannot kill it.

It's unfortunate, but P&G and ABC did not have the foresight to market their soaps overseas. Perhaps if they had, those shows would still be around. (I'm sure that at the peak of their American popularity, these soaps would also have been hugely successful in Europe.)

I can't speak for everywhere, but I've lived in Italy and France and grew up in South Africa and Australia (and live in Australia now) and B&B is HUGE internationally, especially in Italy. Days of Our Lives and Y&R are pretty popular down here as well (I remember Y&R being big in France) but nothing like B&B. They've tried to get GH on several times down here (it was on for a while in the 90s) but it never seems to catch on.

I think GH will be gone in 2012 and that DAYS, Y&R, and B&B will hang on a little while longer. I think B&B will be the last one standing.

BTW, AdelaideCate, thanks for all the videos you've uploaded on YouTube!

I think GH is gone in September 2012. B&B and Y&R will likely go at the end of their contracts in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Amazingly, DAYS may be the last soap standing. KC may ask for a 3 year contract, with NBC offering 1 1/2 years. They could compromise 50/50 at 2 1/4, which would bring it to December 2015, just after it's 50th anniversary.

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by StevieM