I like them, rushed as they are. I don't get the hate. I think they're perfectly pleasant.

I like them, too, and also not getting the hate.

Agnes and Erica

They were great!

Not sure if it's just me but this episode is rocking. David's not overbearing and the character interactions are wonderful.

It helps when Rylee & Zzzendull aren't on, but ITA this was a terrific episode! I couldn't stop crying when Angie handed Lucy over to Maya. I also think Maya may decide to let Angie & Jesse raise her before the show ends.

Just for the record I don't see anyone here hating on Bianca and Marissa unless not finding them that interesting is considered hate.

Slightly?

Yes slightly and I still think it's utter BS writing and that it's more about JR lashing out at what he knows will hit them the hardest or what he knows would be his best counter argument of looking like the better option as a parent.

I'm getting AJ Quartermaine flashbacks in regards to JR's storyline and I don't think they will go away anytime soon.

Edited September 1, 201114 yr by Marley

Just for the record I don't see anyone here hating on Bianca and Marissa unless not finding them that interesting is considered hate.

Yeah, it's not "hate" from me per se, I just think Myra and Jasper were more poppin' than these lezzzzbians.

Just for the record I don't see anyone here hating on Bianca and Marissa unless not finding them that interesting is considered hate.

Sorry. I guess I see the constant "They're so BORRRRRRRINNNNG!!" posts as hate. It's like, "Okay we get it. If they're so boring, stop talking about them." Like I said, I find them pleasant enough. Maybe not some epic show-stopping couple but sweet. It's nice to see one couple that loves each other and isn't playing crazy ass games with each other. They're like a nascent version of Jake/Amanda.

It helps when Rylee & Zzzendull aren't on, but ITA this was a terrific episode!

Any day without the Alpha Dogs and their Bony Concubine Harpies is a good day in my book.

Edited September 1, 201114 yr by marceline

I just think Bianca and Marissa have lacked any serious obstacles on the way to romance. (I'm not counting J.R. His efforts to bring trouble and stop Marissa from taking his son are nothing short of laughable.) One minute, they're casual friends; the next, they're moving in together and all their children now have two mommies. AMC used to be so good as keeping lovers apart or making things rough for them for a good long time. What happened?

AMC used to be so good as keeping lovers apart or making things rough for them for a good long time. What happened?

Cancellation.

it's more about JR lashing out at what he knows will hit them the hardest or what he knows would be his best counter argument of looking like the better option as a parent.

That's the exact part which makes him homophobic. He believes that Marissa/Bianca would be bad parents for AJ because they are lesbians. That's his only complaint with them. That's all he has to throw at them. That's his sole argument and entire "case" wrapped up in one sentence. It would be different if he thought Marissa/Bianca were abusive and/or neglectful caregivers. He would at least have some merit in wanting to take AJ away from that kind of environment. But he has no grounds to think that Marissa/Bianca would be bad parents. So the only argument he can use is a bigoted, homophobic view that lesbians, themselves can't raise children properly. He has committed completely to this idea which in origin is homophobic. Nothing slight about it, his ideology and viewpoint most definitely is homophobic. No getting out of that one. He has already expressed that he doesn't want AJ to even be around them because they will corrupt him with their homosexuality. I don't know what else to call that but homophobia. It's something straight out of the 60's and 70's.

Edited September 1, 201114 yr by Skin

If JR wants permanent custody of AJ, he'll have to cross the line and accuse Bianca of exposing his son, as well as the other children, to a life filled with drugs and orgies involving the kids as sex slaves. Of course, we'll have a big laugh because, well, this is Bianca we're talking about. Others won't be laughing, though, leading to the big "Who Shot Killed JR?" storyline that will lead us to the online show.

Edited September 1, 201114 yr by Khan

I loved the scene where Erica hesitantly dug in the trashcan and got that paper out

That was a nice touch showing a picture of young JR with Adam. That had to be photoshopped right? LOL.

I find Marissa and Bianca really boring but that whole scene with them & the kids where they found out they got the house was executed perfectly. I loved that! While it was nice, I found it RIDICULOUS how fast the house stuff all happened. I mean wow.

I find Marissa and Bianca really boring but that whole scene with them & the kids where they found out they got the house was executed perfectly. I loved that! While it was nice, I found it RIDICULOUS how fast the house stuff all happened. I mean wow.

It would have been hysterical if it had been the Pearsons' house. ("FINALLY!")

David and Erica both so blatantly ignored what Agnes said, and then that scene where she was protesting so much. Yeah, them words are going to come back and bite them both in the ass. LOL

LMFAO at Erica and the trashcan. SL does stuff like that so well.

15 eps left? Isn't it 16? (Yes, I know some fans say they're ready for the finale now, but I'll cling to every extra episode--even an Orpheus filled one--at this point)

I like them, rushed as they are. I don't get the hate. I think they're perfectly pleasant.

Nor do I. They've REALLY been let down by the rush, but that said, I like them together a lot actually.

Awww Petey. That would be a good character to bring back. He's also been gone long enough that a recast would be a piece of cake.

Maya would be a good place to start rebuilding the teen set. Right now it's just Colby and we could use somebody less snotty and rich. MB has a sweetness that I like.

Agreed--and with Jill Larsen showing so much endless interest in doing the online version, it would give her more to do (though ideally she'd get her own story...), especially if MEK doesn't return.

the religious aspect of amc today was a bit too much for my taste and I feel very un-amc like. the only good thing was Agnes telling David to let God do God's work.

Really? And you've watched how long? I tend to be pretty... hrmm waht's the word... dismissive I guess of organized religion, but AMC, particularly during some of Agnes Nixon's own eras has a lot of characters monologuing to God, etc. It doesn't bother me, because I think it's realistic, and I am fine with what seems to be Agnes Nixon's own views on religion--which are fairly vague and "God is love", and not relly with any agenda. (ANd it usually makes sense which characters are more into God, though I admit during the huge babyswitch storyline it seemed odd to me how much Babe would constantly constantly speak to God--a guy I was dating at the time was somewhat getting into the show and I remember that aspect REALLY put him off, I had barely noticed it till he would mention everytime it was a part of an episode, which was just about every day).

LOL! Well there's still two weeks to go. There's still plenty of time for him to pull a J.R. and turn into a homophobic drunk who posts nekkid videos of Maya on the net.

*Three* weeks! Sheesh all you guys making me briefly think I'll get even less AMC than I expected to--my heart can't take it.

I felt that most of the time Bianca was lead unless she was in a relationship then she always supported whoever she was dating at the time. Through her coming out story, her rape, her pregnancy, the babyswitch she was most certainly lead material. Eden was interesting because she could play the good ingenue and still remain interesting. She was a rootable heroine/ingenue. Arguably AMC's last great one. People cared about her and she was a gateway character the audience could connect to the stories of AMC. CBL simply doesn't have that. She is too blank and doesn't have any of the qualities Eden's Bianca had because Eden had more skill in the way she played Bianca.

Bianca was anything but a devoutly sanctimonious whiner under Eden's portrayal. I would look no further then 2003's Cambius murder mystery and Bianca's rape storyline. But even if she was I would take anything literally anything over CBL's blank face and stupefied eye fluttering.

See ER as Bianca was GREAT back then. But her last couple of returns really made me question her take on the character (granted the writing was largely *awful*) I think CBL has done a lot to make Bianca seem more mature and grown up--even without much writing. It's still one of the better recasts I can think of.

I just think Bianca and Marissa have lacked any serious obstacles on the way to romance. (I'm not counting J.R. His efforts to bring trouble and stop Marissa from taking his son are nothing short of laughable.) One minute, they're casual friends; the next, they're moving in together and all their children now have two mommies. AMC used to be so good as keeping lovers apart or making things rough for them for a good long time. What happened?

Well yeah, but I think this is an example where it was undoubtedly rushed due to the time constraints.

I loved the scene where Erica hesitantly dug in the trashcan and got that paper out

And then sanitized her hands immediately after, even though she barely even had a fingernail in the trash!

Just for the record I don't see anyone here hating on Bianca and Marissa unless not finding them that interesting is considered hate.

There're are a couple of posters on here (one who seems to have a regular hate for certain characters) who clearly do hate them as a couple and have said as much, but mostly, you're right, it's more a Zzzzzz reaction.

Edited September 2, 201114 yr by EricMontreal22

Agreed--and with Jill Larsen showing so much endless interest in doing the online version, it would give her more to do (though ideally she'd get her own story...), especially if MEK doesn't return.

AMC2 is such an unknown quantity that I'm *really* trying not to suggest what parts of the old show they should bring to the new one. I think the blank slate and yes, even the three month break is a good thing, But I really think letting Opal take on a role similar to Myrtle would be a no-brainer. Let her open up a boarding house, or reopen the Glamourama, or take over Krystal's, or just invite people to stay with her at Courtlandt Manor. Let her be that voice of wisdom that every show needs. Not just soaps either. Any ensemble drama has that character whose role it is to speak the truth and interject some common sense: Grey's Bailey, House's Wilson, True Blood's Lafayette, etc... Opal can be that character on this show. There's the added benefit of the fact that Larsen can also tear up some humor when given the chance. She's really La Package Totale for the show because she can provide heart, laughs and history.