I'm sorry, but I don't think Aretha can sing Bacharach/David. I know a lot of her fans go on about how versatile her voice is, but I've never really thought so.

She really doesn't have that dignified and polished voice that made Dionne such a hit with those Bacharach/David songs. Aretha's delivery doesn't really suit that kind of music IMO.

I absolutely agree with you. Aretha destroys those beautiful Bacharach lyrics. Dionne is far superior when it comes to that style.

Honestly, I never minded Aretha, though I thought she definitely seemed like a huge bitch. All of that changed after the Tina Turner feud. Why Aretha would embarrass herself so harshly by comparing herself with Tina Turner is beyond me. There are divas, there are rock stars and then there is Tina Turner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-KD0bCk9HU

Edited March 5, 201114 yr by DaytimeFan

I absolutely agree with you. Aretha destroys those beautiful Bacharach lyrics. Dionne is far superior when it comes to that style.

Honestly, I never minded Aretha, though I thought she definitely seemed like a huge bitch. All of that changed after the Tina Turner feud. Why Aretha would embarrass herself so harshly by comparing herself with Tina Turner is beyond me. There are divas, there are rock stars and then there is Tina Turner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-KD0bCk9HU

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Now Tina's versatility is something we can talk about. She can just about do anything IMO, and yet stay true to herself and her own unique style.

No one puts on a show like Tina, and I mean NO ONE. One of the best concert experiences I've had was seeing Tina. She puts her whole self into her concerts, dances and sings her ass off, and still looks amazing doing it all.

Aretha's reaction towards the Beyonce/Tina performances showed her true colours as a person, IMO. No where did Beyonce call Tina "The Queen of Soul" - she simply called Tina "The Queen." And in fact, Tina IS affectionately known as The Queen of Rock & Roll, so anyone could guess what Beyonce meant.

Tina knows she's a legend and that her status is cemented. She doesn't have to go around belittling her contemporaries and the younger divas to prove anything to herself. Which is certainly more than I can say for Ms. Franklin.

Maybe Aretha should take some of her own advice and learn some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Edited March 6, 201114 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I never cared for Aretha Franklin much. I just don't like her voice. Not in gospel, not in R&B, not in soul. Plus her personality...

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Now Tina's versatility is something we can talk about. She can just about do anything IMO, and yet stay true to herself and her own unique style.

No one puts on a show like Tina, and I mean NO ONE. One of the best concert experiences I've had was seeing Tina. She puts her whole self into her concerts, dances and sings her ass off, and still looks amazing doing it all.

Aretha's reaction towards the Beyonce/Tina performances showed her true colours as a person, IMO. No where did Beyonce call Tina "The Queen of Soul" - she simply called Tina "The Queen." And in fact, Tina IS affectionately known as The Queen of Rock & Roll, so anyone could guess what Beyonce meant.

Tina knows she's a legend and that her status is cemented. She doesn't have to go around belittling her contemporaries and the younger divas to prove anything to herself. Which is certainly more than I can say for Ms. Franklin.

Maybe Aretha should take some of her own advice and learn some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

And what I've always found so stunning about Tina Turner, aside from everything you've said, is that she walked away from it all when she was done with it. She didn't work for a decade, then re-emerged to shimmy her way into her 70th birthday. And then, it was over again and she strutted into the night. There is something so halting about that. Something so dignified and strong. Tina Turner has never gone to bed with her press clippings, never bought into her own ego. She's authentic. She's centred. She is one of the greatest recording artists in history.

Aretha Franklin has many girls who could succeed her thrown. There is only one Tina Turner.

And what I've always found so stunning about Tina Turner, aside from everything you've said, is that she walked away from it all when she was done with it. She didn't work for a decade, then re-emerged to shimmy her way into her 70th birthday. And then, it was over again and she strutted into the night. There is something so halting about that. Something so dignified and strong. Tina Turner has never gone to bed with her press clippings, never bought into her own ego. She's authentic. She's centred. She is one of the greatest recording artists in history.

Aretha Franklin has many girls who could succeed her thrown. There is only one Tina Turner.

daytime, I don't wonder if some of this dignity and center comes from her Buddhist leanings.

daytime, I don't wonder if some of this dignity and center comes from her Buddhist leanings.

That likely has something to do with it. I think the fact that Tina made it, fell into deep obscurity and then had the greatest comeback in music, ever, also demonstrated, on a personal level, that this fame isn't forever.

Who do you guys think should play her in her movie? IA with Wendy's choice of Jennifer Hudson

That likely has something to do with it. I think the fact that Tina made it, fell into deep obscurity and then had the greatest comeback in music, ever, also demonstrated, on a personal level, that this fame isn't forever.

I loved her response to Aretha's childishness.

"Aretha has always been like that. We've always accepted that from her. She's the queen of soul, and I'm the queen of rock 'n' roll. There were so many kings and queens there that night. Her ego must be so big to think she was the only one," she laughed. "That's how queens are!"

Who do you guys think should play her in her movie? IA with Wendy's choice of Jennifer Hudson

Jennifer just lost a ton of weight, I honestly think she wouldn't be eager to pack it all back on to play Aretha, who has been a pretty big woman for a lot of her life so far.

I'm not saying none of her covers are good, but when it comes to Bacharach/David productions or songs like The Shoop Shoop Song, I don't think her delivery suits them at all.

I know, I argue with my friends all the time... because they think Aretha's cover of Lulu's "Oh Me Oh My" is so wonderful, but i'm sorry...Lulu's is just better. And seeing as how Lulu's brother wrote the song....

I never cared for Aretha Franklin much. I just don't like her voice. Not in gospel, not in R&B, not in soul. Plus her personality...

Yes, although I like her at times.... her arrogance makes her quite unnatractive, and of course, there are many other singers that I like much better. Maybe people might not consider them as accomplished as Aretha, but I like them better. People such as Edna Wright and P.P. Arnold. I think there are plenty of singers who didn't ahve near the recognition, but are every bit as good, such as Vernita Moss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E435R3k5-MQ

Edited March 6, 201114 yr by alphanguy74

I think Jennifer could still convincingly play Aretha, they'll just have to pad her when they hit the late '80s and beyond. But maybe like Ray or even What's Love Got to Do with It, they'll only focus on a certain timeframe before all that.

Yall are SILLY. Aretha Franklin is a grand diva. Whether or not she can sing Ella or Lulu or Bacharach/David is irrelevant because she's made her millions doing Aretha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA1MyP_JiPI

I can't bring myself to slight any of the queens. I just can't.

Probably the worst I ever saw her was the VH1 special salute to Carole King, and then at the end all the ladies came out to sing a song together and Aretha stepped all over Carole and took her part. It was just rude and petty and ridiculous. CK clearly thought she was going to sing the opening of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhP-we4agdw

How did I miss this thread?

Aretha looks downright awful. And I believe all those cancer rumors about her health were a faux pass so she can undergo the bypass under the radar. Unfortunately I actually miss seeing her overweight. Now she looks two minutes away from death's door and as she was talking I'm thinking thank god for Fixident. I hope she works on correcting her sagging skin. She's too much of a legendary icon to be looking so ghoulish.

The interview was rather fake at times. None of that laughter seemed genuine.

Wendy has always fascinated me. She has such unusual looks for a woman.

Yall are SILLY. Aretha Franklin is a grand diva. Whether or not she can sing Ella or Lulu or Bacharach/David is irrelevant because she's made her millions doing Aretha!

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=lA1MyP_JiPI

I can't bring myself to slight any of the queens. I just can't.

Thank you so much AllMyShadows!