http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-able-to-communicate.html

More on the man who helped save Giffords life:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html

and more on some of the victims. Moving.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-retiree-killed.html

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-man-saved-wife.html

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-girl-killed.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/09/2011-01-09_christina_taylor_greens_grandfather_exmets__yankees_manager_dallas_green_devasta.html?r=sports

Edited January 10, 201114 yr by CarlD2

I guess the little girl killed is cousin of actress Sophia Bush

It is beyond sickening that the ultra liberal posters on this board are automatically assuming that this mentally disturbed gunman is a Republican/Tea Partier, even though no evidence so far has indicated this to be the case.

And thank you, GoldenDogs, for injecting some much needed balance and rationality into this discussion.

Edited January 10, 201114 yr by Max

I am having trouble coming up with the left wing parallel to Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, the birthers, Michelle Bachman, and the Gov of Texas who openly talks of Secession (also known as treason)

Exactly. And if someone can come up with them I challenge that person to show me how they have been embraced, lauded and celebrated the same way.

I'm sick of watching the same people who have fetishized revolution like it's a fantasy football league pretend this lunatic acted in a vacuum. He didn't. He's a sick paranoid man but that paranoia was fed and fanned by people shrieking about the "gold standard" and "they're coming to take your freedoms."

If you fill the air with smoke, you can't blame the other guy when he coughs. If you pour toxic waste into the water, people get cancer. The Tea Party and Fox are just a different kind of polluter.

I am so sick of hearing Palin's name. Why this woman gets media coverage is beyond me. This bitch actually thinks she can be president?? The world is trully over if this bitch does get the presidency!!

It's a tragedy about Giffords. Good to hear she is responding to commands...etc...

+1

This world will truly be a sorry place if she is ever allowed to run the USA. I do so want to go back to visit the US but if she became president there is no way in hell I would want to go back.

Young intern only on the job for 5 days credited with saving Gabrielle Gifford's life:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47307.html

It is beyond sickening that the ultra liberal posters on this board are automatically assuming that this mentally disturbed gunman is a Republican/Tea Partier, even though no evidence so far has indicated this to be the case.

And thank you, GoldenDogs, for injecting some much needed balance and rationality into this discussion.

Yes, because anytime I think of Sarah Palin, National Queen of all Republicans who makes and breaks careers and candidates, I immediately think of Wanda Sykes as her counterpart. It's true, VP nominee and largest fundraiser and hero of the Tea Party on one side...and a member of the St Petersburg Democratic Club is now her opposite number. Glad we cleared this up.

Yes, because anytime I think of Sarah Palin, National Queen of all Republicans who makes and breaks careers and candidates, I immediately think of Wanda Sykes as her counterpart. It's true, VP nominee and largest fundraiser and hero of the Tea Party on one side...and a member of the St Petersburg Democratic Club is now her opposite number. Glad we cleared this up.

You asked and you received, yet you still take issue with the information? I don't have a problem with your partisanship, q-fan, but I think it's ridiculous that once presented with the information YOU requested, you then began to discount it immediately. How 'bout you attempt to address the propriety of the comments made by those from the left that I have listed rather than some lame attempt at a dodge?

Of course, we could all just drop this entire discussion and move on to more important topics... like, of course, the Johnny Weir thread...

There are violent rhetoric coming from both sides, I don't deny that.

However, out of all the people you listed Golden Dogs on the left who made such statements, none of them have had the popularity and media publicity that Sarah Palin has had. None of them were criticized like Palin was when she used such rhetoric, and when criticized, what did Palin do? She ignored the criticisms and amped up the rhetoric. But it goes beyond Palin, this recent midterm election proves that the Republicans had the media outlet in the palm of their hands, the spotlight was on them, and what did they do? They ignored warnings about their amped up rhetoric and profited off of it. I think the issue here is, that with right's increased media presence and criticisms, they ignored highly publicized warnings about their statements. I'm sure if any one of the left's superstars, such as the President, Michele Obama, or even Hillary had used such blatant violent rhetoric they would be criticized just as much as Palin is now, because like Palin, when they speak, the media listens, as does the constituency. All the people you listed on the left don't have the same star power as some as Sarah Palin, with increased fame, there comes a certain sense of responsibility about what you put out there. Even more so, when you repeatedly use such rhetoric more than once, almost as a campaign slogan, don't be surprised when something does in fact happens, fingers are pointed in your direction.

There are violent rhetoric coming from both sides, I don't deny that.

However, out of all the people you listed Golden Dogs on the left who made such statements, none of them have had the popularity and media publicity that Sarah Palin has had. None of them were criticized like Palin was when she used such rhetoric, and when criticized, what did Palin do? She ignored the criticisms and amped up the rhetoric. But it goes beyond Palin, this recent midterm election proves that the Republicans had the media outlet in the palm of their hands, the spotlight was on them, and what did they do? They ignored warnings about their amped up rhetoric and profited off of it. I think the issue here is, that with right's increased media presence and criticisms, they ignored highly publicized warnings about their statements. I'm sure if any one of the left's superstars, such as the President, Michele Obama, or even Hillary had used such blatant violent rhetoric they would be criticized just as much as Palin is now, because like Palin, when they speak, the media listens, as does the constituency. All the people you listed on the left don't have the same star power as some as Sarah Palin, with increased fame, there comes a certain sense of responsibility about what you put out there. Even more so, when you repeatedly use such rhetoric more than once, almost as a campaign slogan, don't be surprised when something does in fact happens, fingers are pointed in your direction.

absolutely, and none of those people Brian listed have anywhere NEAR the political power that Sarah Palin has. I've heard some reports saying that the shooter was upset about illegal immigration. Someone should have told him illegal immigration is NOT the fault of our government. Our government doesn't hire these people.

Yes, because anytime I think of Sarah Palin, National Queen of all Republicans who makes and breaks careers and candidates, I immediately think of Wanda Sykes as her counterpart. It's true, VP nominee and largest fundraiser and hero of the Tea Party on one side...and a member of the St Petersburg Democratic Club is now her opposite number. Glad we cleared this up.

What? You don't know about all the millions raised and distributed by WandaPAC?

The fact that it appears this individual was allegedly planning to assassinate Giffords shows this man had political motivations. Disturbed and an unbalanced mind, yes.... but politically motivated none-the less. I don't think that legitimizes left-right pot shots, but it certainly legitimizes discussion on the nasty, partisan political climate partly fueled by hateful rhetoric in the USA the last little while.

Regardless of which side of the aisle you're on, this news should make your blood boil.

Westboro Bapt Plans Protest of 9 year old's funeral

I sincerely hope people in Tuscon show out in droves to keep them away.

I wish someone would open fire in that church.

Regardless of which side of the aisle you're on, this news should make your blood boil.

Westboro Bapt Plans Protest of 9 year old's funeral

I sincerely hope people in Tuscon show out in droves to keep them away.

Sickening. Just sickening.