Members Adam Posted January 12, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 Palin speaks: <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/18698532" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/18698532">Sarah Palin: "America's Enduring Strength"</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user5713437">Sarah Palin</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> Transcript Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 GOD SARAH! THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU! When are you gonna f*cking GET IT! This is not about you, it's not about you, it's not about YOU! This tragedy is about these victims. And yet again, you twist this around and make this into some sort of lame pity party for yourself and your political views. Can you, for once, not make this tragedy about you or your politics or anyone else's? You will always have your detractors, your people who will never listen to you, but it would have shown great class if you had made a two minute statement about the victims and ONLY the victims instead of repeating crap we've heard in the MSM and once again, firing up political rhetoric. You make me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scotty Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 As much as I am disgusted by the narcissism, her comments basically fall into the usual dividing line. Any criticism of extreme rhetoric turns into people like Palin, Limbaugh, etc. making this about "free speech." It's all gone back to regular partisanship in the blink of an eye, and any changes that could have been made have already been forgotten, because the story very quickly turned away from being about the people wounded and killed and being about he said/she said, the media staring at its own navel, and more of Sarah Palin making herself into a martyr. This type of thing, sad to say, may even help her get the 2012 Republican nomination for President, if she runs. It is already becoming about noble, long-suffering Sarah, standing up to those godless liberals and that lamestream media. Meanwhile, in stories that won't get attention, local Republican officials are resigning, due to threats. http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 12, 2011 Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 #1 She makes me so sick that if she's ever near Washington in any form of power, I'm done as an American. That's not dramatics or a joke. It's a promise. Party politics are going to kill this country, literally. I can not tell you how sad it makes me that the face of the subject I've spent 8 years studying and earning two degrees in is now a dead 9 year old girl. I was that 9 year old. The one who was part of student council. Who was fascinated by government, and how it worked, who at 7 years old asked my mom when I vote, because I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. Who thought one day, maybe I could make a difference. For her hope, she got a bullet in chest. Right now I feel like a lot of my hope went with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted January 12, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2011 I totally know where you are coming from about that poor child. I talked about it earlier in this thread. Someone young in this hateful age actually wanted to learn. Wanted to participate. And look what happened. I agree what all of you are saying about Sarah. I was actually shocked she posted such a long, statement. I will say though at least she did speak. It looked much worse for her to stand quiet IMO. Still, everything she says is despicable and very transparent to her true intentions and motivations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 As just about all of you continue to point out examples of Republican extremism, I don't hear a peep from any of you (other than Brian) about violent threats made against Republicans by left-wing crazies. Well consider the following quote made (last fall) by former U.S. Congressman Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania (who served over two decades in Congress before being defeated in 2010) regarding Rick Scott, who was last year's Republican nominee for governor in Florida (and who subsequently won his election): "That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him [sic] and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks." Or how about this incident back in 2006 when New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi was giving a commencement address at Queens College and said the following in regards to the course of action he felt U.S. Senator Charles Schumer needed to take against President Bush: "We really feel bad for poor Chuck - United States senator. The man who, uh, uh, how do I phrase this diplomatically, will put a bullet between the president's eyes, if he could get away with it." These two quotes--made by prominent elected Democratic officals--prove beyond a doubt that violent language against political opponents exists on the far left as well. (And the bottom line is that violent language is equally bad, whether it is made by left-wing or right-wing extremists.) Yet, to hear you people rant all day, you pretend that this is an exclusively right-wing problem. The hypocrisy coming from you liberals is overwhelming, and cannot be tolerated (nor can it go unchallenged). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I said PARTY politics. Both side are equally to blame and equally disgust me. They have for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Exactly! It makes me ill that both liberals and conservatives continue to assign blame to each other. Nevermind a mention of the people who were killed and injured out there. People want to discuss this as some sort of tragedy for thirty seconds, but then spend five, ten, twenty minutes pontificating about their political views. That's bullsh!t. Kylie is right: this partisan nonsense is gonna completely destroy our country. Instead of working together to fight the real enemy(banks, federal government, corporations, apathy) we insist on calling each other anarchists, socialists, communists, racists, etc. No one's saying that we all HAVE to agree on everything. But for God's sake, I think everyone needs to take their heads out of their asses and look at things objectively and figure out a way to find some sort of common ground to keep this from happening again instead of waiting for the next 9-11, the next Columbine, the next Tucson to start pointing fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Kylie and Bellcurve, while both of you are saying that you are sick of the extremism on both sides, I notice that you then immediately go and condemn Sarah Palin for her extremist ways. While Palin should be called out for what she did, what bothers me is that neither of you have criticized any specific person on the left. Therefore, despite statements on your part that you are sick of both parties, the fact that you have chosen not to condemn any Democrats (by name) gives the appearance (to me, at least) that you believe violent language is a uniquely conservative problem. (If I somehow am reading too much into things and therefore getting the wrong message, then I apologize to both of you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 I do condemn her, because she's the most vocal and out there at the moment. I also condemn Democrats just as equally. Find me one, and I'll tell you why he/she is full of [!@#$%^&*] too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Go ahead and think you know who the hell I am Max. Just go ahead and THINK you have me pegged. You wanna know why I haven't condemned any specific "Democrats or liberals?" Because I haven't heard anyone from the left BLARE as loud as Sarah Palin in the last, I don't know...three years since she came from obscurity? But yes, dangerous speech from BOTH parties are the problem. It exists. And what does that even have to do with the point Kylie and I are trying to make? And I was one of the first people in this thread to mention that maybe, just MAYYYYYYYBE this wasn't some deranged tea party member and that we should wait until all the facts have come in. But per usual, Max, you jump the gun and start breathing down everyone's neck who isn't some card-carrying, Michael Savage listening, hard-heartened Neo-Conservative. Which, essentially, highlights what Kylie was saying about how partisan politics are ruining this country. I'm a proud Southern boy who is happy to say that not everything has to be seen as liberal or conservative or a matter of being a Democrat or a Republican. The real problem are you ridiculous extremists(you liberals and conservatives alike) who feel the need to just assign a category or a title to everyone who happens to disagree with just ONE thing you have to say. That's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Adam Posted January 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Preach it. And Max, be careful making these automatic assumptions that people that are being critical of the rhetoric that happens to come from the extreme right-wing are those "liberals". I personally identify as a right-leaning conservative and take issue with the rheteoric coming from both the extreme right and left. Thank you for pointing out some of the people on the left who have been adding to the toxic political enivornment that is party politics in the USA today. But I have to agree with bellcurve and Kylie that no one on the left of Sarah Palin's stature is making the kind of disgusting comments she is making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 Bellecurve, if you think that I am some card carrying, Michael Savage listening Republican, then you have NO IDEA, who the hell I am. Perhaps you have missed all of the posts over the past year where I condemned Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. It's funny that you jumped to assume that I'm some far right, Sarah Palin worshipping lunatic, even in the very same breath that you condemned me for making assumptions about you. Well, this is just more evidence that you are indeed a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted January 13, 2011 Members Share Posted January 13, 2011 That makes YOU a hypocrite as well with your allusions of grandeur where you suggest that I only blame Sarah Palin and her followers for the dangerous party rhetoric. And all I go by is what I've seen in this thread and posts you've made here and there. I have better ways of getting my news than to read you saying "Liberals, Liberals, Liberals." And so far, that's all I see you doing. You've barely shown one ounce of concern for all those people who died, because you're so damn busy pushing your own political agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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