Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Alison wasn't a psycho just a HUGE bitch (and to be fair Nikki made it EASY). Yep. They had a sweet relationship (until she dumped him for John). Not really. Once Brenda returned she pretty much ignored Deborah's Subtle Jill for her own Alexis Carrington/Erica Kane Jill debacle. It's one of the most important part of Katherine & Jill's relationship. Whenever either of them tries to really move & be truly independent of the other, the other would ALWAYS insert themselves into the other's life. That particular time it was Katherine but Jill's done it too (Rex). They have a sick co-dependence but its also fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 At this time do you think it's for the best that the show has moved on from Katharine/Jill, or do you think the characters still need that interaction? Would the Tucker story be any better with Jill's involvement? I've probably already asked this before, but Brenda Dickson basically said that when she returned she had to eventually start playing Jill as a bitch because the writing for Jill had changed in her absence and Jill was no longer a heroine. Do you think she was right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 It's HORRIBLE that they've moved away from any real Katherine/Jill involvement. Especially since Jeanne isn't getting any younger, Jess is one of the best actresses in Daytime history, Jill has MAJOR history with EVERYONE & their relationship is the real heart of Y&R. The Tucker story fails mainly because there is no effort (and hasn't been for YEARS) to tell non Newman family stories. If ANY good were to be had from the Mother/Daughter disaster it should've been that Jill became Katherine's rightful business successor making her Tucker's natural enemy. Add in him dumping her & her issues with Ashley & the story writes itself. No. Because Jill wasn't a heroine & hadn't been one for a LONG time prior to Brenda's first exit. But then again that particular statement was basically about backstage drama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 When did Jill first stop becoming a heroine? Was it the Derek story? Tucker is just so pointless. Things happen TO him, and he's just there. It's too bad, because if you go back and look at even the most filler of characters in a lot of Bill Bell's stories, they had a strong presence and drive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Pretty much. And Jill's shift to anti heroine was totally character driven unlike now where characters entire histories are ditched for month long (at best) "stories". Exactly. And it's not even that Braeden stayed that ruined Tucker. It's the complete lack of non Newman stories. If you're not a Newman or Newman in law you're basically treated as useless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 The saddest part of all that is all the Newmans are horribly written, and half of them don't care about the material or are hopeless in playing it. The worst part of production that favors certain characters is when they have no ability to write for those they favor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Indeed. And the sad thing is it's NEVER going to change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Was she considered the best/definitive Patty? How did AE compare? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yep. Horribly. Her Patty was basically Tina. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) so pretty much like her other roles (Tawny, Rebecca). Love AE but she has very limited range. I havent seen her Patty but those other 2 characters, while different were very much Tina in the way she portrayed them Edited September 5, 2011 by Cheap21 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 5, 2011 Members Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yep. The only difference being her Patty was closer to her original Tina in terms of attitude. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted September 6, 2011 Members Share Posted September 6, 2011 Wasn't Evans in the role when Patty shot Jack or am I mistaken? I've never seen any of Evans' OLTL work but I do know of her OTT antics on Passions and B&B. I really enjoyed her but I don't know how dramatic of an actress she can be. Why do you guys think the Williams family didn't make it like the Abbotts did? What was Steve Williams like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 6, 2011 Did Lilibet want to leave? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfan770 Posted September 6, 2011 Members Share Posted September 6, 2011 Found them! I find it interesting in the second vid when John goes completely off on Katherine: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 6, 2011 Members Share Posted September 6, 2011 Yep (unfortunately). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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