22 minutes ago, carolineg said:

The whole Marlena/Sam stuff was all forgiven way too easily by Marlena.

Agree!  Again, your identical twin sister has you committed to a sanitarium and assumes YOUR life (which includes your life with your husband) and you somehow find it in your heart not just to forgive her but accept her back into your life as well?  IDC that Marlena was a practicing psychologist, or that Samantha was too strung out to realize what she was doing.  No rational human being would forgive who'd commit such crimes.

Now that I'm thinking about it, too, didn't Samantha need Marlena's kidney at one point?  If I'd been Marlena, I would've said, "Bitch, find my ass for this kidney!".

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by Khan

5 minutes ago, Khan said:

Agree!  Again, your identical twin sister has you committed to a sanitarium and assumes YOUR life (which includes your life with your husband) and you somehow find it in your heart not just to forgive her but accept her back into your life as well?  IDC that Marlena was a practicing psychologist, or that Samantha was too strung out to realize what she was doing.  No rational human being would forgive anyone under such circumstances.

Now that I'm thinking about it, too, didn't Samantha need Marlena's kidney at one point?  If I'd been Marlena, I would've said, "Bitch, find my ass for this kidney!".

Sam needed a kidney while Marlena was pregnant lol.  I don't think Marlena gave her the kidney, but wanted too lol.   To be mildly fair, Samantha spent a lot of time in a sanitarium after the life takeover to recover and seemed back to normal.   And Sam did die because Jake Kositcheck thought she was Marlena, so I can see the guilt factoring into it.   I don't really have a problem with the name Samantha for Sami, but Marlena forgave Sam really quickly.   

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Sam needed a kidney while Marlena was pregnant lol.

Did Ann Marcus write that?  That sounds like some mess Ann Marcus would've done, lol.

(And don't get me wrong, I think Ann Marcus did some very good work on KNOTS LANDING and "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," but her work in daytime tends to be hit-and-miss.)

4 minutes ago, Khan said:

Did Ann Marcus write that?  That sounds like some mess Ann Marcus would've done, lol.

(And don't get me wrong, I think Ann Marcus did some very good work on KNOTS LANDING and "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman," but her work in daytime tends to be hit-and-miss.)

I am not sure.  It's likely.  DJ was born in Feb 1980 and it looks like Ann Marcus wrote through 1979.

It's been years since those Marlena edits were openly available on you tube, but I can remember Marlena wanting to give Sam her kidney and Don and her drs. strongly objecting.  She ended up getting a kidney from someone I believe.  A random stranger?  But her kidney issues were due to her drug use and Don was rightfully annoyed Marlena wanted to give her a kidney while pregnant lol.

24 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I am not sure.  It's likely.  DJ was born in Feb 1980 and it looks like Ann Marcus wrote through 1979.

It's been years since those Marlena edits were openly available on you tube, but I can remember Marlena wanting to give Sam her kidney and Don and her drs. strongly objecting.  She ended up getting a kidney from someone I believe.  A random stranger?  But her kidney issues were due to her drug use and Don was rightfully annoyed Marlena wanted to give her a kidney while pregnant lol.

You're pregnant, but your evil twin sister needs your kidney.  Only on the soaps, people!

Edited March 1, 20223 yr by Khan

So, not only did Sam take over Marlena's life, but also tried to have her killed/threatened Marlena to her face shortly before Don rescued Marlena from Bayview. I would NEVER have forgiven so quickly, but, again, Ann Marcus and her lightning-fast plotty writing.

The kidney story was Harrower, she took over from Marcus in March '79. Marlena was pregnant with DJ around the time Laura was going off the rails, and there were scenes up on YT of Dr. Jordan Barr and Don trying to talk Marlena out of giving the kidney up to Sam because of the risk. 

I feel it was a good message for DAYS to have Marlena forgive Sam. After all, life is too short to hold grudges and I feel that resonated with the show's central theme. Further, it led to Sam's redemption. I think a lot of people were encouraged to forgive after that.

Also, the way Marlena's mind evolved during her medical training permitted a sense of empathy AND ability to separate Sam the patient in need of help and Sam her sister. I'm sure the memory of how Sam was before, assuming they got along, helped thr forgiveness.

That's also a good at to stigmatized the field -- having Marlena forgive her.

 

I have the bible for the show and the original idea for Julie is a trip. Irna was going to have her get preggers to get her parents attention. They were going to try to convince Tom to recommend an Abortionist and then he was going to rip them a new one for making Julie to have to go to great leangts.

Also, she was going to have a minister's son take the blame so she could live with him and his family so their Christian ways would show her the light and cure her.

7 hours ago, beebs said:

So, not only did Sam take over Marlena's life, but also tried to have her killed/threatened Marlena to her face shortly before Don rescued Marlena from Bayview. I would NEVER have forgiven so quickly, but, again, Ann Marcus and her lightning-fast plotty writing.

The kidney story was Harrower, she took over from Marcus in March '79. Marlena was pregnant with DJ around the time Laura was going off the rails, and there were scenes up on YT of Dr. Jordan Barr and Don trying to talk Marlena out of giving the kidney up to Sam because of the risk. 

Thanks for the correction about the writers.  Yeah, I have no problem with Marlena forgiving Sam eventually.  It was just very quick and Sam had very little repercussions besides a trip to the sanitarium for awhile.   Sam was living her best life as an actress in Hollywood like a year later?   Who ended up giving Sam the kidney?  I can't remember for the life of me.

7 hours ago, allmc2008 said:

I feel it was a good message for DAYS to have Marlena forgive Sam. After all, life is too short to hold grudges and I feel that resonated with the show's central theme. Further, it led to Sam's redemption. I think a lot of people were encouraged to forgive after that.

Also, the way Marlena's mind evolved during her medical training permitted a sense of empathy AND ability to separate Sam the patient in need of help and Sam her sister. I'm sure the memory of how Sam was before, assuming they got along, helped thr forgiveness.

That's also a good at to stigmatized the field -- having Marlena forgive her.

 

I have the bible for the show and the original idea for Julie is a trip. Irna was going to have her get preggers to get her parents attention. They were going to try to convince Tom to recommend an Abortionist and then he was going to rip them a new one for making Julie to have to go to great leangts.

Also, she was going to have a minister's son take the blame so she could live with him and his family so their Christian ways would show her the light and cure her.

Oh, Marlena is very forgiving.  It was just fast.  I have no problem redeeming Sam eventually and her gaining everyone's forgiveness, but Sam didn't really work that hard at it.  

Anyway, really cool stuff you have with that bible.  That's so interesting about Julie.  

10 hours ago, carolineg said:

It's been years since those Marlena edits were openly available on you tube, but I can remember Marlena wanting to give Sam her kidney and Don and her drs. strongly objecting.  

Some of them were re-uploaded. All the way up to Marlena's rape, I think.

8 hours ago, allmc2008 said:

 

I have the bible for the show and the original idea for Julie is a trip. Irna was going to have her get preggers to get her parents attention. They were going to try to convince Tom to recommend an Abortionist and then he was going to rip them a new one for making Julie to have to go to great leangts.

Also, she was going to have a minister's son take the blame so she could live with him and his family so their Christian ways would show her the light and cure her.

Thanks for posting!

This was so interesting to read.

14 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Some of them were re-uploaded. All the way up to Marlena's rape, I think.

Thanks for posting!

This was so interesting to read.

 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Thanks for the correction about the writers.  Yeah, I have no problem with Marlena forgiving Sam eventually.  It was just very quick and Sam had very little repercussions besides a trip to the sanitarium for awhile.   Sam was living her best life as an actress in Hollywood like a year later?   Who ended up giving Sam the kidney?  I can't remember for the life of me.

Oh, Marlena is very forgiving.  It was just fast.  I have no problem redeeming Sam eventually and her gaining everyone's forgiveness, but Sam didn't really work that hard at it.  

Anyway, really cool stuff you have with that bible.  That's so interesting about Julie.  

You are both welcome. khan has me on ignore so can either of you tag him so he can read my post? I think he'd be interested in the images of the bible I posted.

13 hours ago, carolineg said:

No, Marlena/Roman did not know about the molestation when they named Eric.  There are some really weird scenes at Roman's funeral/wake where Kim won't even call Baby Eric-Eric because it triggers her.  So that's fine.  Just bad luck on that naming. 

I think I read somewhere that in the end Marlena (and Marlena alone since Roman was presumed dead by this point) offered to change Baby Eric's name but Kim gave her blessing to keep it (I think for her it was a way to reclaim the name from her uncle).

11 hours ago, allmc2008 said:

I have the bible for the show and the original idea for Julie is a trip. Irna was going to have her get preggers to get her parents attention. They were going to try to convince Tom to recommend an Abortionist and then he was going to rip them a new one for making Julie to have to go to great leangts.

Also, she was going to have a minister's son take the blame so she could live with him and his family so their Christian ways would show her the light and cure her.

This type of story was a recurring theme in Irna's work, possibly because she herself had a stillborn child at the age of 19 after being abandoned by her boyfriend. For example on GL, Kathy Roberts married Bob Lang, he died and Kathy married the respectable doctor Dick Grant and passed off Robin as his for a time.

3 minutes ago, Dion said:

I think I read somewhere that in the end Marlena (and Marlena alone since Roman was presumed dead by this point) offered to change Baby Eric's name but Kim gave her blessing to keep it (I think for her it was a way to reclaim the name from her uncle).

I have never heard that.  It's totally possible, but I have to admit I am not that great with knowledge on post-Roman/pre-John Marlena stuff outside watching the Richard Cates story.  That does seem like something Marlena would do though.  His name is Eric Roman right?  It would be an easy switch to call him Roman Jr. or something.

 

 

 

 

  

5 hours ago, carolineg said:

I have never heard that.  It's totally possible, but I have to admit I am not that great with knowledge on post-Roman/pre-John Marlena stuff outside watching the Richard Cates story.  That does seem like something Marlena would do though.  His name is Eric Roman right?  It would be an easy switch to call him Roman Jr. or something.

I seem to remember that Kim called baby Eric "Rick" as an alternative. That may have been before she revealed the molestation to her family.