46 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

I've been watching a lot of 82/83 GL as of late and was Quint's assistant, Gunther killed? If so, was it b/c of Silas Crocker? I feel like I might've accidentally missed that. 

 

Also, how many alters did Carrie Marler have? Was it just Carrie Anderson & Carrie McKenzie? Or were there more?

 

I think she had 2.

 

I think he was killed by SIlas, yes. I don't think there are clips of it. 

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think she had 2.

 

I think he was killed by SIlas, yes. I don't think there are clips of it. 

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering about both. Gunther was there one second and gone the next. I was wondering if there were clips of his demise or of Quint mourning him. 

 

Also, if people wanna do a DID story correctly and not for shock value, Carrie Marler's is the one to study. 

 

Do you think that because Marland was instructed to wrap up Carrie's story differently, which led to his departure from GL, that he went on to tell the story somewhat how he wanted to on Loving? Wasn't Lily given DID?

38 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Do you think that because Marland was instructed to wrap up Carrie's story differently, which led to his departure from GL, that he went on to tell the story somewhat how he wanted to on Loving?

 

I don't think so.  I think one of his last stories for ATWT, which was Royce Keller's ordeal with DID, comes closer to being that attempt.  IIRC, Marland's original projections for the Carrie story called for Carrie to kill Jackie Marler while under the influence of one of her alters, which was pretty similar to how Royce's alter, Roger, would murder Royce and Lucinda's half-sister, Neal Alcott, years later on WT.

 

But I DO think that because ABC forced Marland to wrap up the Lily Slater story earlier than he had wanted, Marland took the opportunity with WT's Angel Snyder and her abusive father, Henry, to tell THAT story (meaning, of course, incest) the way he had planned to on LOVING.

Edited October 1, 20178 yr by Khan

1979 GL bumpers and Search For Tomorrow promo at 13:29

 

 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

 

I don't think so.  I think one of his last stories for ATWT, which was Royce Keller's ordeal with DID, comes closer to being that attempt.  IIRC, Marland's original projections for the Carrie story called for Carrie to kill Jackie Marler while under the influence of one of her alters, which was pretty similar to how Royce's alter, Roger, would murder Royce and Lucinda's half-sister, Neal Alcott, years later on WT.

 

But I DO think that because ABC forced Marland to wrap up the Lily Slater story earlier than he had wanted, Marland took the opportunity with WT's Angel Snyder and her abusive father, Henry, to tell THAT story (meaning, of course, incest) the way he had planned to on LOVING.

 

I totally forgot about Royce DID story. 

 

Seeing as you pointed it out, it was like Marland got to finally tell the stories he wanted to tell on ATWT, which was his greatest work of art. Sad ABC wouldn't allow him to tell the story he wanted to tell with Lily Slater either when he co-created Loving. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Khan said:

 

But I DO think that because ABC forced Marland to wrap up the Lily Slater story earlier than he had wanted, Marland took the opportunity with WT's Angel Snyder and her abusive father, Henry, to tell THAT story (meaning, of course, incest) the way he had planned to on LOVING.

 

And the Lily story was his second take at the incest storyline after trying it on "A New Day in Eden." On "Eden," Emmett Claybourne, a scheming lawyer who worked for the electronics magnate Bryan Lewis, had an unhealthy attachment to his daughter, nursing student Cynthia Claybourne. Emmett had tarnished his ex-wife's name many years ago and run her and their son, Logan Claybourne, out of town. Logan returned to Eden to learn why Emmett had been so intent on keeping Cynthia. When Logan started getting closer, Emmett fled Eden, but not before a scene where it was alluded to that he raped Cynthia. In the final episode, Logan seemed to be getting closer to learning the truth, but he was shot by an unseen intruder. Cynthia, a bit frigid, was getting closer to Jack Wagner's Clint Masterson after his girlfriend, Pam (the one who had the lesbian one night stand with Miranda Stevens), faded from the story. 

6 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

 

And the Lily story was his second take at the incest storyline after trying it on "A New Day in Eden." On "Eden," Emmett Claybourne, a scheming lawyer who worked for the electronics magnate Bryan Lewis, had an unhealthy attachment to his daughter, nursing student Cynthia Claybourne. Emmett had tarnished his ex-wife's name many years ago and run her and their son, Logan Claybourne, out of town. Logan returned to Eden to learn why Emmett had been so intent on keeping Cynthia. When Logan started getting closer, Emmett fled Eden, but not before a scene where it was alluded to that he raped Cynthia. In the final episode, Logan seemed to be getting closer to learning the truth, but he was shot by an unseen intruder. Cynthia, a bit frigid, was getting closer to Jack Wagner's Clint Masterson after his girlfriend, Pam (the one who had the lesbian one night stand with Miranda Stevens), faded from the story. 

 

Well damn. Are there any episodes of this show that are available? Wasn't this the show that was on HBO or Showtime? 

Just now, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

Well damn. Are there any episodes of this show that are available? Wasn't this the show that was on HBO or Showtime? 

 

I have only found scripts covering the tail end of the show. It was on Showtime and some other cable outlets, like Prism. 

 

 

1 minute ago, dc11786 said:

 

I have only found scripts covering the tail end of the show. It was on Showtime and some other cable outlets, like Prism. 

 

 

 

*gasps*

 

Can I see these scripts if you don't mind?

I wish episodes of A New Day In Eden and Loving Freinds and Perfect Couples would surface. You know somebody had to be running a VCR for that back then.

On 9/29/2017 at 2:06 PM, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

But GL actors didn't start even getting nominated until Zaslow's first nomination, which looks like '92. Sad that so many actors around that time were overlook and never nominated. Weird that Mart Hulswit, Chris Bernau, or Don Stewart were never nominated. Just odd. 

 

But to Roger being beyond redemption, I agree, but MZ was so good at what he did that I felt for Roger at all times. I've always said that Roger, John (of ATWT), and Jack (of DOOL) were the only characters that were rapists but felt remorse for their actions at all times and strived to do better while misstepping at times, hence why I could feel something for them. I never felt that Todd (OLTL) or Luke (GH) felt bad for their actions, which is why I never liked any of the characters. 

 

Quite honestly, also I felt Maureen Garrett's work that year was also as strong as Michael's, maybe even more - especially at how she portrayed Holly post-rape. She really should have had a Best Actress nomination

On 10/1/2017 at 9:03 PM, dc11786 said:

 

And the Lily story was his second take at the incest storyline after trying it on "A New Day in Eden." On "Eden," Emmett Claybourne, a scheming lawyer who worked for the electronics magnate Bryan Lewis, had an unhealthy attachment to his daughter, nursing student Cynthia Claybourne. Emmett had tarnished his ex-wife's name many years ago and run her and their son, Logan Claybourne, out of town. Logan returned to Eden to learn why Emmett had been so intent on keeping Cynthia. When Logan started getting closer, Emmett fled Eden, but not before a scene where it was alluded to that he raped Cynthia. In the final episode, Logan seemed to be getting closer to learning the truth, but he was shot by an unseen intruder. Cynthia, a bit frigid, was getting closer to Jack Wagner's Clint Masterson after his girlfriend, Pam (the one who had the lesbian one night stand with Miranda Stevens), faded from the story. 

I am sure it played differently but that synopsis was almost like a parody of a soap...those NAMES!!!

On 9/29/2017 at 2:01 PM, vetsoapfan said:

 

Maybe Mart Hulswit, who had been fired as Ed Bauer and denigrated in an interview by Douglas Marland?

 

I suspect so, as Mart was the only one I can remember who Marland denigrated to that extent in an interview. I can't remember anyone else in TGL cast having bad press in 1981.

 

This was posted on the ATWT thread, but I didn't see it here (apologize if I missed it). This includes a brief snippet of Roger and Hillary #1, played by Linda McCullough.

Edited October 3, 20178 yr by zanereed

I thought Elvera in the video said it was a GL actress who had bad things said about in the press, not an actor. Did I misunderstand?

18 hours ago, ~bl~ said:

I thought Elvera in the video said it was a GL actress who had bad things said about in the press, not an actor. Did I misunderstand?

 

Now I REALLY wonder who she is referring to...?!!?