Victor is the one that really pisses me off.

Now he doesn't have to face the music everyone will be too worried about him. I really want Victoria to face up to what her father has done and confront him.

This storyline has really damaged the Victor character, and he was already pretty thin before it. We all know he never pays for anything and they'll try to drum up sympathy for him in the dumbest of ways. So, in the end, who cares?

And if the spoiler is true that

Patty shoots Victor and he gets Colleen's heart,

I will REALLY be pissed.

I have to admit PASSIONS was really great this week! It has been doing well for a few months now but the climaxing of the storyline was terrific!! Hopefully the ratings will get a temporary jolt from all this...and we shall see how viewers react after they have seen what has happened.

Very true. They have never actively tried to kill each other. That's above and beyond. I came back to GC with Traci and I'm planning to leave with her.

I don't blame you, this show is a hot mess.

Jack/Victor isn't the only big feud this writing team has misunderstood though. Jill/Katherine is another one, where Katherine is the saint and Jill is the pathetic demon who just yells insults at her. We all know Katherine was as responsible as Jill for the problems in their relationship. But with this writing regime, it's all about pushing their agenda, to hell with what's really true.

This show and the people writing it just make me sick.

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And if the spoiler is true that

Patty shoots Victor and he gets Colleen's heart,

I will REALLY be pissed.

Me too, but I won't be watching. No way in hell will I watch that. I have watched this show faithful for over 20 years, but they have managed to drive me off with the gruesome storylines of this summer and I sure won't stick around

to watch Victor get the heart of a girl he tormented and humiliated.

F%ck that noise.

And you know what, they're trying to make it seem as if Victor brought Patty to town to kill Jack.

Don't you just love the rewritten history LMAO Victor is so SPECWIAL to have s/ls rewritten just for him in the span of a year!I guess they can't find anything to do for EB either so back to the recycle bin we go!!

2 things here that I have struggled with and that's why I haven't given this plot-driven bugger of a s/l with MJ/Patti that much focus, #1. I have watched this show for years and either I am beginning to have severe memory loss but Victor did not know anything about Patti shooting Jack, hardly anyone did and #2. how did heck did he find her when no one else could. Jack had so many other relationships w/women that Victor could have brought back to mess with- we have yet to hear the explanation of what Victor was actually trying to accomplish bringing Patti back and with a newly reconstructed face, WTF!! Are we going to get an explanation here, some back-history perhaps - I don't think I will hold my breath for this one but I am hoping we will.

For some reason, I just don't believe Colleen will die or be dead.

Maybe wishful thinking but something in me doesn't believe it.

I keep thinking a miracle will happen. Maybe sounds like denial but that is just how I feel.

Something is wrong when the only character I sympathized with on Today's Canadian show was Patty.

I guess the intentions of the writers is to not make us care about any of the characters to the point where they can get away with anything and reek even more damage/havoc on the show. It sure feels this way.

This writing team has such contempt for character writing, family dynamics, and classic soap opera elements.

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NOOOOOT surprised.

Foul!

This writing team has such contempt for character writing, family dynamics, and classic soap opera elements.

It's a sad day when Amber is the star of Y&R.

At the risk of also being called obvious or sycophantic, I am somewhat in agreement with Cashton.

Relative to Thursday's show, I enjoyed Friday's much more. This doesn't take away from the fact that I don't like that Colleen was killed off, or the general darkness (and cartoonish nature) of some of the recent Patty story.

But today I liked:

- Colleen's ghostly visit to Lily. Y&R has now firmly established this aspect of itself (ghost John, ghost Cassie), so ghost Colleen makes sense. And I liked that she gave a message of hope and love. I needed that.

- Ashley's fierceness. Eileen has been playing the hell out of this story. I loved when she suddenly grabbed Traci's face. It was unexpected and intense.

- Victor's admission in front of Jack. "Come on Patty. We created Mary Jane together." I loved how Victor and Jack had reactions when Patty was calling their nemesis out.... You could almost see each guy thinking "shoot the other one".

The off-camera canoe rescue was a bit laughable. Why was Jack dry? But no matter. When the shots ran out at the end...reminiscent of Patty's three-shot of Jack a quarter century ago...I knew I'd be tuning in Monday to see what happened.

- Ashley's fierceness. Eileen has been playing the hell out of this story. I loved when she suddenly grabbed Traci's face. It was unexpected and intense.

Ashley going from near catatonia to dolled up beauty queen?

Doesn't make sense.

Ashley going from near catatonia to dolled up beauty queen?

Doesn't make sense.

Ashley is a laughable caricature, not even a character anymore. She's lost everything resembling a personality, and this inane storyline that's very degrading towards women and people with common sense just doesn't end.

At the risk of also being called obvious or sycophantic, I am somewhat in agreement with Cashton.

Relative to Thursday's show, I enjoyed Friday's much more. This doesn't take away from the fact that I don't like that Colleen was killed off, or the general darkness (and cartoonish nature) of some of the recent Patty story.

But today I liked:

- Colleen's ghostly visit to Lily. Y&R has now firmly established this aspect of itself (ghost John, ghost Cassie), so ghost Colleen makes sense. And I liked that she gave a message of hope and love. I needed that.

- Ashley's fierceness. Eileen has been playing the hell out of this story. I loved when she suddenly grabbed Traci's face. It was unexpected and intense.

- Victor's admission in front of Jack. "Come on Patty. We created Mary Jane together." I loved how Victor and Jack had reactions when Patty was calling their nemesis out.... You could almost see each guy thinking "shoot the other one".

The off-camera canoe rescue was a bit laughable. Why was Jack dry? But no matter. When the shots ran out at the end...reminiscent of Patty's three-shot of Jack a quarter century ago...I knew I'd be tuning in Monday to see what happened.

Despite that fact I don't care about Colleen or her death. I really liked today's show. Actually, I enjoyed yesterday's cheesy escapade. Maybe my standards have been lowered but I co-sign to much has been written about why some liked the shows.

It's a sad day when Amber is the star of Y&R.

Yep.

It's also a sad day when Gloria looks like a strong female character when compared to other, more established and veteran female characters.