Could this first Adam saw their was no point in Adam & Rafe hook up? Maybe he was asking the question after we hook up where the story was going to go. & they didn't have any answers. Then he was like "OK, I'm out of here".

Someone speculated on Engen again... release the hounds

That's the Engen speculation alarm. It's a prelude to everyone getting all bitchy

Edited August 6, 200916 yr by ian

I haven't been watching Days as often and Y&R is getting to the point where I don't care if I see it or not either. I never dreamed that I could ever go soapless while the ones I usually watch were still on the air.

I didn't care for the way Neil treated Tyra today at all. She isn't Dru but at least she's trying to be there for him in his time of need and etc.....

I hate what they are doing to most of the women on this show especially Ashley and Sharon as a viewer it just so sad and pitiful to watch....

It also seems like the show is getting really choppy like the way they go from scene to scene and especially when they cut to commercials.

I think overall, what this show is missing is its CLASSINESS. In the old days, it OOZED class and that's what set it apart.

Someone speculated on Engen again... release the hounds

That's the Engen speculation alarm. It's a prelude to everyone getting all bitchy

I always said that Engen was asking to many questions. & they didn't like it. I always said I'll never believe what comes out of Y&R mouths. Because they lied so many times.

I always said that Engen was asking to many questions. & they didn't like it. I always said I'll never believe what comes out of Y&R mouths. Because they lied so many times.

TPTB are total liars and/or incompetents. The contempt MAB and her henchmen have for the actors (save for the chosen few - JC, BM, and the Scoobs) is palpable. Few backstage dramatics were more vile than MAB's attempt to cheat Nia Peeplees out of her contract.

TPTB are total liars and/or incompetents. The contempt MAB and her henchmen have for the actors (save for the chosen few - JC, BM, and the Scoobs) is palpable. Few backstage dramatics were more vile than MAB's attempt to cheat Nia Peeplees out of her contract.

Which blew up in their face.

If they leaked the stuff to Branco making Engen look like some homophobic diva, then that also backfired, because huge expectations were set for the story, never came close to being met, and only helped draw huge, negative attention to a vile story many people had been trying to get through. So then it became all about, "Hey, this story is sick. Fetuses in a fireplace? No wonder he quit!"

They have handled the show all wrong. No wonder the product is a mess.

So, whenever I see the "Y&R on the verge of a recast" thread in the spoiler section, I think, "No, more on the verge of a total collapse!"

Count me in on that as sadly it's now the point of no return to the good ole days.

I think overall, what this show is missing is its CLASSINESS. In the old days, it OOZED class and that's what set it apart.

Yes it did and I do have to say though, Billy & Chloe's wedding was about as classy as we've seen in quite a few years.

The MJ story is completely out of control.

it started off with promise as Victor summons a woman from Jack's past(???)to extract revenge for Jack's role in the diary scam.

Then almost immediatelty,it tapers off.Victor then announces,for no apparent reason,that he has dropped his plan.We never knew what it was in the first place.

Then we have the hints she is Patty,although she in no way resembles Patty in appearance or personality.Paul thinks he knows her,but that goes nowhere.

Viewers aren't given any background on what Patty has been doing for 20 +years and why she has become this psycho.

When the big reveal does come,most viewers will be saying so what, as they wouldn't even know Paul had a sister.

Paul has precious little story as it is.

As the character has no depth,I'd rather she was Lindsey Wells rather than Patty.

Please, do not ruin Lauren Koslow's character over some BULLSH!T like Patty Jane. Dear Lauren will need a job when they fire her from DAYS.

Also, I think that's another reason why they pull stuff from the internet. The choppiness is all over the place with the stories, like they're just waiting for their next "brilliant" idea from a kissass MB poster who says, "These dates would match. Why not make Mary Jane Patty" or some BS like that.

It's one thing to kind of accept viewer feedback and say, "This story clearly is working..." or "This needs more work." But to lift crappy story ideas from message boards instead of using your writing team, your assistant, your research staff to guide you in why certain things are plausible or implausible" just reeks of arrogant, lazy storytelling.

Maria's Y&R reminds me of the guy who would write his manuscript(and while writing it, remembered the plot to every single dollar movie at Blockbuster and put it in there) the day before it had to be presented in workshop and, because he talked a good game, he expected everyone to just bow at his feet and say, "Oh this was wonderful. The best story I've ever read."

I'm not going to wrap this in spoiler tags, but one of the mags reported that Ashley will soon think she was the one that killed Sabrina.

Can this storyline get ANY WORSE? It's officially a train-wreck, and it's expiration date was weeks ago.

If it means more "spooky" appearances by Raya Meddine, I am all for it.

That stuff with Ash and Sabrina in the car was pure comedy.

Edited August 7, 200916 yr by bellcurve

That Linda Gottlieb thread really makes me wish she or someone like her were at Y&R right now.

A revolutionary to give this show a complete revamp, get rid of the useless characters; someone that adds innovative elements to the show, while still respecting its roots.

But most of all, someone that fights TIIC for the stories she/he wants to tell and believes in. Someone who freckin' cares about putting out something with substance and high quality.

It's one thing to kind of accept viewer feedback and say, "This story clearly is working..." or "This needs more work." But to lift crappy story ideas from message boards instead of using your writing team, your assistant, your research staff to guide you in why certain things are plausible or implausible" just reeks of arrogant, lazy storytelling.

Have you finished those outlines, bellcurve? Maria will need them for tomorrow!

Seriously, this show... And I just love it how you nail how they think!

Edited August 7, 200916 yr by Sylph

Have you finished those outlines, bellcurve? Maria will need them for tomorrow!

Seriously, this show... And I just love it how you nail how they think!

It's really sad, huh Sylph? These people have become pathetic and predictable.

I'm more pissed because Maria knew exactly what was at stake, not only for the show, but for those working there(talent, production, and below-the-line) and the fans. And she just didn't rise to the occasion, despite her rousing bulldog speeches to Nellie.

It's really sad, huh Sylph? These people have become pathetic and predictable.

I'm more pissed because Maria knew exactly what was at stake, not only for the show, but for those working there(talent, production, and below-the-line) and the fans. And she just didn't rise to the occasion, despite her rousing bulldog speeches to Nellie.

I have never seen so much dislike for your own show. Her family is a partial owner, dear God! Doesn't she wish it to prosper? If for nothing else then for the money? Not only that, but her family lets her wreak havoc as if it's all OK and nothing's really going on, business-as-usual.

Few backstage dramatics were more vile than MAB's attempt to cheat Nia Peeplees out of her contract.

Or her punishment of Don Diamont.

Edited August 7, 200916 yr by YRBB

More shocks are coming our way!

Apparently, in a lazy attempt to find ANY stories for Kevin, he will now either think our find out that he has ANOTHER brother (that being that murderer, Ryder). Also, Deacon will blackmail Amber into marriage.

It isn't even funny to say "how much low can this show get"? I get signs of hope when I see a small improvement, but then I get a ton of scenes that are worse than I've seen on LML's version (not that it was better)... I don't want to quit watching this show, but I'm this close to actually doing it.

Do we even need a potpourri thread anymore? Y&R' sucktitude is pretty much universally agreed upon.