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Y&R Episode Discussion for the week of July 20

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I have to get this off my chest and I'm not going to come here for a while, CK did move me today when her character found out she has cancer, and I wanted to cry for her I really did and I believe that she really does love Cane and yes I want them back together, I SAID IT I FINALLY SAID IT

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Finishing up the show - I really think everyone in the cancer story today is doing a fine job. Really moving. I even teared up a little, and usually I don't care about Lily.

SO GLAD there was that Neil/Olivia scene at the end. Really REALLY touching. *sniff* Kristoff brought me to tears. And the scoring over the last few scenes - Neil/Olivia, then Devon/Lily/Colleen, then Mac/Cane, really lifted up the whole final moments of the show. Good stuff.

The Winters family scenes were really good today. Lots of emotional stuff. And I liked Colleen being there fore Lily.

Liz Hendrickson is GLOWING today.

And she has long hair again. She's so hot with long hair. :wub:

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I have to give credit where credit's due - Christel's doing all right today. We've seen her phone it in way too often, but I thought she was really working hard today.

Liked the Billy/Phillip scene, and Billy talking about how he ran away to Hong Kong. Nice touch, bringing up how everybody was shoved into boarding school. I still think Phillip's coming across like the world's biggest douche, but at least the scenes are a little calmer today and not just smug snarkiness. Seriously, does Bierdz know how to be sympathetic anymore? Even at his worst twenty years ago, he still got you to feel sorry for him. Now I just want to deck him.

I don't know what to say about Michael and Kevin. Clearly, Michael's response ("Are you kidding me?!") mirrors so many of our responses. I do understand the story impulse here - Kevin tries to make lemonade out of lemons (writers trying to make lemonade out of lemons?) but I'm reserving judgment until I see where it's going and how it plays. I hate hearing "The C Word" but as long as that costume never shows up again on-camera, it doesn't bother me that much. Yet.

LOVE Liz's look today. And I think she lights up with Driscoll. Looking forward to watching more of these two.

ICAM with this entire post. EXACTLY what I thought about the show today as well.

SHE WAS. I am one that have hated her performances for so long, but dang it, this girl worked it out today! FINALLY. I don't think it was brilliant, but it definately bordered on the excellent. LOVE LOVE LOVE Hendrickson's new hair, and Ford looked GREAT today. Once they ironed out her "look", Ford is MUCH better to take. It took her a damn long while, but she has FINALLY settled into the role and is really working for me. Billy Miller was so cute today, the party hat horns.. etc. He's such a little party boy. But the scene of the day has to go to KRISTOFF. That final scene of the episode had me blubbering, Neil always seems so calm, or strong, or whatever.... but today's final scene was HEARTBREAKING. That man brought the house down today! I hate to burst some of your cynical bubbles, but the writers were RIGHT to not give Lily Symptoms. Ovarian Cancer typically does not present with symptoms 75 percent of the time until it has spead to other parts of the abdomen. That's why Gilda Radner died of it. Theyr'e being medically accurate, it's one of those cancers, like Patrick Swayze's Pancreatic cancer... that they refer to as "Silent Killers", menaing most times, by the time they present symptoms, it's too late.

Another good post. I am not a CK/Lily lover in the least bit. But I was feelin' her today, y'all. I thought she did a good job with the material. NOW....that last scene had the same effect on me, Alphan. Seeing Neil and Olivia there together and him talking of Dru (finally) and how he can't loose his little girl. OMG :(:( Today was the first time in a long time that I felt ANYTHING for anyone in the Winters family.

EH look FAB today. Loving the longer hair and she was great today. I love that woman!

The Chipmunk stuff was FF material for me. SNOOZER.

Nice break from the Newmans, the Quad and Adam/MJ today.

Finally, I'm feelin' CF as Mac these days. Today she felt so natural in the role and I'm so fuckin glad she lost that "gloom and doom" look she had when she first showed up.

As much as I think DG was doing a good job as the exposed con-man/P3 story, I'm afraid the tide is turning already and soon we'll see the holier-than-thou bitch from down under reappear in the not too distant future. I hope I'm wrong, but .... ugh.

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JESUS CHRIST THE CANE PROPPING HAS TO STOP.

Tell me about it....

This cancer "storyline" seems like merely an onstacle to reunite this gag-worthy couple...

And how many months now have people been complaining about this Chimpmunk sh!t? I don't care if the costume isn't used, that's a plot that should be swept under the rug and forgotten, not constantly drudged up. They clearly have no idea what to do with Kevin and Jana, who should be written out to pare down the canvas, so they force this nonsense on us.

I'm glad to finally see Chole again, it feels like she's been missing in action for a while. I don't like the name "Chance" it feels so damn cheesy and eye roll worthy. Surely, they could have retconned a middle name for the boy, since that's all they do these days. I don't know if he has any chemistry with Chole yet, they seem OK as purely friends.

It's so hard to like Billy when he'd rather go attempt to screw Mac in a trailer than spend time with his daughter. What was the point of giving Billy a kid right now if it really serves no purpose and they aren't properly exploring the issues he has being a father, when he doesn't want to be one? I also found it pretty hard to beleive Billy would react that emotionally to hearing news that Saint Lily had cancer. I don't even think he showed that kind of emotion when everyone thought Katherine had died.

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It's so hard to like Billy when he'd rather go attempt to screw Mac in a trailer than spend time with his daughter. What was the point of giving Billy a kid right now if it really serves no purpose and they aren't properly exploring the issues he has being a father, when he doesn't want to be one? I also found it pretty hard to beleive Billy would react that emotionally to hearing news that Saint Lily had cancer. I don't even think he showed that kind of emotion when everyone thought Katherine had died.

Good points, all. Why did the writers put us all through that "Who's the daddy" SL with Chloe if A) Cane knew all along the rug rat wasn't his and B) Billy doesn't seem to care.

I still like Billy mostly because of Billy Miller. The writing for the character is all over the place. He bought Murphy's old trailer just in the hopes of banging Mac there? Wouldn't it have been easier (and cheaper) to get a room in that motel that Jack and Adam used a few months ago? Mac must have a cooter made of gold for him to be jonesin' after it the way he is. :D

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Wow all this cklily love... I actually can't wait to see this now.

They really should've given her a break for a couple of months, though. Perhaps to be efficient, they're putting her in another front-burner story, but still. She never gets a break. It's crazy. I think it would've gone a long way to help with the pacing a bit. I know there are no signs for ovarian cancer but it's not as if this is related to the P3 story at all. A break would've been good.

Or Olivia should've had cancer again.

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Good points, all. Why did the writers put us all through that "Who's the daddy" SL with Chloe if A) Cane knew all along the rug rat wasn't his and B) Billy doesn't seem to care.

I still like Billy mostly because of Billy Miller. The writing for the character is all over the place. He bought Murphy's old trailer just in the hopes of banging Mac there? Wouldn't it have been easier (and cheaper) to get a room in that motel that Jack and Adam used a few months ago?

Yes, the writing for Billy is a mess, but what character isn't a mess in the writing department anymore?

These actors can only so much when the character they're playing are so hallow, one-dimensional, and poorly defined.

And yes, this Phillip III retcon and not properly exploring Billy's struggles with being a father have rendered that whole who's the daddy/custody crap useless.

Mac must have a cooter made of gold for him to be jonesin' after it the way he is. :D

:lol::lol::lol:

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Wow all this cklily love... I actually can't wait to see this now.

They really should've given her a break for a couple of months, though. Perhaps to be efficient, they're putting her in another front-burner story, but still. She never gets a break. It's crazy. I think it would've gone a long way to help with the pacing a bit. I know there are no signs for ovarian cancer but it's not as if this is related to the P3 story at all. A break would've been good.

Or Olivia should've had cancer again.

Again, I don't think this cancer storyline is about exploring cancer and how it impacts the life of it's victim, it's just a means to reunite Cane and Lily. And definitely, Lily could use a good couple of months OFF the front-burner to be recharged and rested.

Fans have been crying for a storyline for Lauren for months now. Why couldn't they have given her the cancer storyline? They could play it once or twice a week, with Bregman on recurring. I'm not the biggest Michael/Lauren fan, but they're major characters being completely neglected, and the storyline wouldn't be about reuniting a relationship, it would be about the victim and the victim's family as they struggle with cancer.

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Greg'sGL, you're the bomb. Cooter? ROTF!!

I understand why they used CK and not anyone else.

I don't understand why they gave her cancer the week after she broke up with cane.

I mean, where's the soap? He'll come back and they'll be together. There's nothing soap about that, nothing complicated because both of these characters are boring as hell.

They should've given zapato cancer lol. (And yeah, I know how he'll play out in another s/l)

Why are zapato and jack's dog the same dog?

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I really felt for Lily today and I couldn't be further from a CK/Lily fan if it bit me under my arm. CK really delivered today. This was her best work yet.

I love EH's new hair and I think she is charming with Chance in what little I've seen. Billy however is a douche. I can't believe he ran out on spending time with his daughter just so he could screw his mistress. Some father.

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ITA, today's show was a winner.

The Winter's family came together and played their roles just right---- Lily(daddy's little girl) who is scared out of her mind but insists on being told anyway even though she doesn't want to know-----Aunt Liv the Dr who while trying very hard to be the professional, remembers her "dead" sister and the impact that lost has had on her neice---- Devon the brother who doesn't know what to say and so seems to be speaking nonsence----- Neil the parent who has just been given the kind of news about the health of his only child that no parent in the world wants to hear and by the look on his face and the tears in his eyes is wondering what he'll do if the unthinkable happens. With all this going on the best thing that could happen for this family today was that TYRA WAS MISSING.

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ITA, today's show was a winner.

The Winter's family came together and played their roles just right---- Lily(daddy's little girl) who is scared out of her mind but insists on being told anyway even though she doesn't want to know-----Aunt Liv the Dr who while trying very hard to be the professional, remembers her "dead" sister and the impact that lost has had on her neice---- Devon the brother who doesn't know what to say and so seems to be speaking nonsence----- Neil the parent who has just been given the kind of news about the health of his only child that no parent in the world wants to hear and by the look on his face and the tears in his eyes is wondering what he'll do if the unthinkable happens. With all this going on the best thing that could happen for this family today was that TYRA WAS MISSING.

Yes! I posted some similar things in Potpourri just now.

Thank goodness something very right is happening. And for it to happen with the Winters' clan gives me such hope! After many of us were feeling this clan was near-destroyed in all that Ana-Tyra debacle...to see relatable human drama (in a show so missing the boat in other stories right now) is just...affirming!

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Yes! I posted some similar things in Potpourri just now.

Thank goodness something very right is happening. And for it to happen with the Winters' clan gives me such hope! After many of us were feeling this clan was near-destroyed in all that Ana-Tyra debacle...to see relatable human drama (in a show so missing the boat in other stories right now) is just...affirming!

While it was nice seeing some emotional storytelling, the damage that's been done to Neil and Devon is still there. Those characters are still not being written and are still ignored. This story is simply about Cane and Lily. The members of the Winters family are mere supporting figures. Until they show me they can handle all the members of this family intelligently, this story is not a success for the whole Winters set on this show.

Again, is this a story about cancer or a story that simply uses cancer to bring Cane and Lily back together? The acting was good today, but we'll see what significance this story and cancer has in the long run.

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Fans have been crying for a storyline for Lauren for months now. Why couldn't they have given her the cancer storyline? They could play it once or twice a week, with Bregman on recurring. I'm not the biggest Michael/Lauren fan, but they're major characters being completely neglected, and the storyline wouldn't be about reuniting a relationship, it would be about the victim and the victim's family as they struggle with cancer

What is even more frustrating is that the show is doing a story about Kevin and Chipmunk mania, something that totally seems to be filler, and if anything is a short story arc (I hope so), but they couldn't give Lauren one story, instead they give Kevin/Jana this crap? It seems like the show is trying to overcompensate for the poor way they ended the Kevin SL earlier this year with this ridiculous story about Kevin having a fan base. Whatever Y&R.

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