Members Antoyne Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I finally watched Monday's episode yesterday and honestly, I was a bit let down.. I feel like I was supposed to feel something from this P3 reveal and I feel absolutely nothing. Tricia Cast is outshining everyone, and the best moment came from the hospital scene where she screamed "You're so full of crap." My biggest issue with Bierdz is the man's diction. It's awful...and occasionally I saw some sort of emotion but usually I ended up distracted by the stroking of his goatee or the furrowed brows..And that hair...His performance wasn't AS bad as I was expecting, but I wouldn't call it good. I feel absolutely nothing for the character. I've never been a big fan of DG, but honestly this man is now playing the most hated character in town and he's doing an awesome job. I was thoroughly impressed with his performance on Monday. Billy Miller also did a great job..I'm confused as to why the writers have made Lily turn this whole situation into being about her? When exactly was she expecting Cane to say, "Oh hey I'm actually not Phillip III, but don't tell anyone. I love you."..She's just coming off as an annoying little child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I agree with this 100%. Phillip being gay doesn't bother me at all - in fact, I think it tracks beautifully with the Phillip I remember in the 80's. Yes, it's a history rewrite, but it makes sense. When I think of so many scenes with Phillip back then, I see a lot of myself in my teenage years in him. The whole "letting his family believe he was dead" part is the only part of it that I still struggle with, but like I said before, as long as we see the journey Phillip goes on, as he realizes the extent that he made people suffer, and there's some redemption at the tail end of this, I'll be fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Nah. Kay had her own lesbian flirtation. Kay would be the LAST PERSON ON EARTH to judge P3...both by her nature, and given that history. Uh uh. I think both Khalil and Goddard are FINE. Bryton was great yesterday. I loved Neil as protective-daddy-with-big-guns! It all worked. This has been a shot in the arm for the Winters. I don't understand the specific CK-hatred these last few days. Chancellor mansion wasn't P3's childhood home. He lived at the Fosters' house until Jill married John, then he got shipped to boarding school (and PREFERRED not to come home for Xmas.). True, when he returned as a young man (Bierdz) he lived in the Chancellor mansion...but I'm not sure he would have formed a huge attachment to it. Indeed, it wouldn't have bothered me if he looked at it with a mixture of loathing and regret...in light of how unhappy he apparently was there. But I can accept that he has a weak attachment to the house. He only lived there for three post-adolescent years. My understanding is that Cast does not have children. Her husband is a much older man. Can you confirm that she has kids? Because, honestly, I don't think there are ANY kids keeping her in Tennessee. But I could be wrong.... Tricia has had one of the most universally applauded returns I have EVER seen on soaps. Nothing about Patty resembles "psychopath". Adam is closer, but given that he has all these tinges of regret, the label doesn't even fit him. Adam occasionally demonstrates psychopathic behavior (lack of conscience and empathy), but not in a clear way. (Damon Jacobs correctly noted that such behaviors almost always stem from childhood abuse--which makes me wonder if step-daddy Cliff didn't occasionally bugger Adam behind the barn...that would explain a LOT...including Adam's willingness to bed down with Rafe). For Patty, she is clearly psychotic in parts--as in detached from reality--but she is far from a psychopath. She feels too keenly. Many have fallen in love with her...I'm sure she'll be there for the long haul. WIN! WIN! WIN! You get it! Did I mention, WIN? Yes, exactly. The Phillip-Cricket "romance" (where he had to booze up to be around her) could ABSOLUTELY have been as you describe. I'm not "rationalizing" the retcon. I remember thinking this even back then. Why does he need booze to be with his girl? Something is awry. Even is impregnation of Nina was done while drunk. Ah, some will say, but he had sex with Nina when they were married! Well, that describes about 50% of the gay men of Bierdz's generation! It doesn't mean a thing. I have more problems with the "I paid off a cop with non-existent money to play dead" part of the story than the "I was secretly gay" part of the story. It fits Bierdz and P3 beautifully. For all the audience members who feel deceived--like, "Hey, I was watching, and I never noticed he was gay". Well, HELLO! Welcome to the reality of the closet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Whoops! My bad. You are correct, Mark. Oh, I can't confirm it. You could be right. Others said "she doesn't want to uproot her family" and I just assumed that meant kids. Shouldn't assume things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MTSRocks Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I don't mind the story, but so far only Tricia Cast and Jeanne Cooper are selling it for me. Khalil isn't nearly as bad as people are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leia Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Thanks for saving me a post. Beautifully said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Meh, screw the gay aspect, it's the whole storyline, the sh!tty rewrite, the horrendous explanations, Bierdz's crap acting, the shoddy execution, and gag-worthy dialogue that make this storyline suck so much for me. Again, thank goodness for Tricia Cast, without her, nothing in this storyline would be remotely watchable, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted July 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 An excellent post and I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 YES! You got that right! Time for someone to wipe off the crap from some of these posts! Open your eyes, people! Some will rationalize everything. Everything. The story is pure sh!t, one of the worst ever in daytime, and is making Y&R sink faster than Titanic. This show is drowning in sh!t. Monday episode, with all of Janice Ferri trademarks (like unpolished, un-actable lines & tons of expository dialogue), was appallingly bad, made worse by Thom Bierdz. Who couldn't act if his life depended on it! There was zero emotional connection and Nina should have slapped him so hard and said: Snap out of it! His speech in the hospital was mind-boggling sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I thought that relationship ended because Brock convinced her it was unnatural, and all misplaced. If Phillip ever learned of any of this I'm sure it just reinforced his doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jadia Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Word, I know CK is not a popular subject around here but I frankly thought she was great both days as well. I felt every emotion from her hurt to anger, betryal, everything. She brought up her game like everyone else in this story except for drum roll...TB. I heard all the hype and when he finally showed up, just dropped a big ole stink bomb, I'm willing to give him a chance cause CF has clearly improved as well. But then they should have waited before dropping him in the middle of a dramatic storyline like this, he brought everything down being the centerpiece. He is just not very good and that's all I'll say on that. But ita to whomever who said that DG is the mvp so far to me, he's really brought it and truly looks and act like a man broken and desperate. Basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MTSRocks Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Tuesday's episode was pretty good. Bierdz isn't as horrible. His speech is a bit stilted, but he's not horrendous. LoL at the post telling us to open our eyes and stop rationalizing. Cause we're such mindless zombies, LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 And he made it sound like he decided to kill himself and they when he realized he was alive decided to buy off a cop and doctor who just happened to be in financial difficulties. This kid was depressed, an alcoholic and all of 18 yet he managed to come up with a plan that is almost impossible to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 7, 2009 Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 I don't understand Maria and Company's purpose for creating this ridiculous rewrite, especially when she only gave Bierdz a 6 month contract. What is she trying to accomplish that she couldn't do without Bierdz being there and pissing on a ton of history? If Bierdz is gone in 6 months, what did storyline really accomplish other than messing with already troubled history (thanks initially to Latham), make Phillip III an even more unlikable character, and forcing so many unrealistic excuses and holes in this storyline on the audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted July 7, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 7, 2009 Yup, We like what we like....not too fond of someone else trying to tell me to open my eyes. Kind of telling us we are stupid for liking the story. That's the way I see the post coming off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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