Members All My Shadows Posted June 11, 2009 Members Share Posted June 11, 2009 OMG...did the doctor just say that Ian is a "rock star?" Oh Lord, Rebecca... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 I guess Aidan and Annie are over for good...especially since Aidan never repeats relationships (I won't count the awful grief sex with Kendall). I know Aiden Turner isn't a great actor but I thought Aidan and Annie were one of the better couples on the show this year and I just hope they aren't going to turn her into another of the women who turns against Adam. As for Aidan, if he goes down the same self-righteous pig road as Ryan, Zach, and the Martins, I'd rather see him leave, but if they can find a good story for him I would enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 Rebecca? As in Rebecca Taylor? OMG! Listen, I just got a brand new laptop this morning so I was busy going over the details of it with my father who is a computer genius (unfortunately for him, it wasn't passed down!) and my mother was in her office watching AMC on SN... and I was listening to the dialog, coming in as late as half an hour into the program, and from what I heard, I assumed it was Rebecca Taylor. I hate her prejudiced script writing. Even when David isn't in an episode she's scripting, she spend her 80 pages of script filling it with everyone hating on David. I miss Mimi. That woman was a great script editor. Jeff Beldner, as decent of a script writer he is/was, he sucks as the editor. I BLATANTLY VOTE Michelle Patrick as SE. Anyway, I have some food to eat. In order for me to keep it down, clearly I can't watch today's Martin Heavy Episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members detroitpiston Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 Horrid episode today! Only good part was Marissa telling those Martin [!@#$%^&*]'s off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 Besides Kendall his women end up dead or gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 When Opal told Amanda she was about to become a Martin on Wednesday's episode, I just about gagged. So long, Amanda. All unique women have been ruined by becoming Martinized. Dixie Liza Gillian Krystal... now add Amanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 how did becoming a Martin ruin Dixie? That didnt happen until she started sleepign around with David Not seeing it with Liza either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 Not seeing it with Liza? Clearly, either you're mezmorised by the God-sent Jamie Luner, or you weren't watching back in 1998-1999 if you even have to ask how entering the Martin realm ruined Liza. As for Dixie, Tad tried to get Jake and Joe to convince her to terminate her pregnancy back in 1999... in 2000, Tad essentially pushed her into David's arms by making her feel guilty for being David's secretary instead of being a good little Martin Housewife and staying home with the kids while he and Liza spent all their time together as they plotted to steal Adam's company -- citing that running Chandler Enterprises will finally make him feel like he's somebody after being abused as a kid (you know... except for running Orsini Vineyards after Nola left it to him and except for being the host of The Cutting Edge after Liza fired Erica). :rolleyes: Not only that, when Dixie expressed an extreme discomfort in Tad being "best friends" with Liza and spending all this time together with this woman -- the woman Tad cheated on her with which subsequently led them to divorce in 1996 -- Tad basically told her to get over it. And then, because of the bullying during her 1999 pregnancy, Dixie ran off to Switzerland in 2002 to give birth to Kate because she was afraid Tad would try to talk her into aborting that pregnancy as well. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Being a Martin ruins women. It's so funny the Martins will cite women being weak and vulnerable that makes them fall prey to evil David -- but they never seem to mention that they're weak and vulnerable after being dismissed by the Martin men when they don't fall into line. David's "obsession" with Dixie was due to Tad's dismissive treatment. Krystal went to David because of Tad's dismissive treatment: "Yeah, your daughter's been dead for two weeks -- Get over it. MY daughters need you while I go to the Congo." Martin men expect some 1950's housewife -- not an independent, original woman. I mean, I swear, there was a point last year where all Krystal needed was some pearls and she would've looked like June Cleaver. Gillian went from being this wild, impetuous, free spirit -- to being a good little wife, having lunch dates with RUTH and counting the days for Jake to come home after he queened out about Colby and abandoned her. I can't wait to see what happens with Amanda. ETA: I totally forgot about how Jake cheated on Mia with some random nurse in a Fusion janitor's closet because Mia was too busy having a career at Fusion instead of catering to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 No Ive been watching. Liza went downhill in the last years of MW's run when she got bland and boring married to Adam. How were the Martin's responsible for that? Dixie has a long history with Tad and the Martins. I was bc of Tad that she became as popular as she was. She was a great and viable character from the late 80s up until 2000 during the years she spent with them in that period. The only reason she went downhill was bc she became an adulterous. The lying, cheating, sanctimonious atittude was not typical of Dixie and it was being with David that did that to her. No one made Dixie cheat but Dixie and she is solely responsible for her actions. Tad did not turn her into a bad mother. She did that all on her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 Jake started her on the bland path. When Michael Lowry first appeared, his Jake constantly scolded Liza about her not being a nice enough person, about her doing a job which involved exploiting tragedy for ratings. She was going to drop her job and stay on his boat all the time, unless she had to go find odd jobs so they would have some money. Adam was a more exciting alternative who respect her for who she was. At least this was true until they became all about babies and baby lies. I loved them in 1996 and most of 1997, then they were ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 I never liked her but I felt she got ruined right around the time she got her brain tumor. That was horrible and she didnt quite recover for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted June 12, 2009 Members Share Posted June 12, 2009 I forgot about the brain tumor. By then I'd lost interest in Liza. Now it would probably seem like an ERA rally, but back in late 1996 and most of 1997 I was very depressed about how weak most of the female characters were, all about babies, and men, and being violated in many different ways. A lot of stories which just weren't necessary, in my opinion, like Tanner and Hayley, or about Brooke's new beau being Laura's child pornographer. I was hoping things would change when McTavish arrived, but then of course I learned quickly she was going to be as bad, or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steve Posted June 13, 2009 Members Share Posted June 13, 2009 I disagree about Jake ruining Liza and about the brain tumor ruining her. I actually thought the brain tumor brought some of her edge back since Adam discovered she'd been funneling money from Chandler while she was ill. What ruined Liza for me was when she went back to Adam after he violated her by switching Jake's sperm for his own. Imo, that was tantamount to rape and she should have never forgiven him! I also disagree about Dixie. Yes, Tad did have old-fashioned 1950s values about her working outside the home, but the writing back then let us see what an a-hole he was without having everyone tell Dixie what a great husband she had. Dixie had a job that was rewarding for the first time and the only person who saw her joy was David. I'm not saying she should have had the affair, but it was easy to see why she was drawn to her boss when her husband wanted her to quit. As far as Tad "bullying" Dixie to have an abortion, I thought it was very well written because from his perspective she would most likely die in childbirth and he was trying to persuade her not to sacrifice herself to have his child. I miss that type of writing where you could see both sides of the argument and decide which character you agreed with. I really only thought Dixie was destroyed when she last came back and spent most of her time with Zach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted June 13, 2009 Members Share Posted June 13, 2009 Jake absolutely did ruin her. Such hyperbole. I thought it such when Liza said it back then and I do now. The affair with David ruined her because she went scurrying back to Tad and made it seem as if it was all David's fault. THAT'S what happens with these women these Martin asses try to control. They never make the Martin boys own up to their mess and always put the blame on others to stay on their good side. There has GOT to be some acknowledgment on Tad's part where this whole Krystal thing is concerned. His blase, "you grieved for two minutes, now get over it and cook us some dinner" attitude -- abandoning her over the holidays -- and then dragging Krystal directly to David and dropping her off on his doorstep as if she were some toy he was done playing with... No. He judges Krystal, shuns Krystal, and when his little pissy mood is over with, starts sniffing around Krystal again. The minute Krystal gets a glimmer of being accepted by the Cool Gang again, she drops David like a hot rock and blames him for everything that went wrong in her life the last six months. That's the same with Dixie. She turned on him, talking crap like, "you're just angry because you'll never have a real love like Tad and I have!" Yeah, it was so real, she was able to forget about it long enough to spread her legs for him -- but that wasn't her fault. It's David's. That's the MAIN point of what I was talking about. Tad and Jake are horrible when it comes to the women in their lives, and yet, nobody calls them on it and they always seem to blame the woman and the "other man." It was Ryan and Gillian's fault that they reconnected while Jake was off in Bosnia or something after finding out Colby wasn't his. It wasn't Jake's fault -- nevermind he selfishly abandoned his wife to go to a warzone without a second thought. These Martins demand and dismiss these women, making them vulnerable to be "taken advantage of" by another man -- but refuse to say "Hmm... maybe if I wasn't such a damn prick..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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