I was ready to get rid of him. But I have had a change of heart. He still needs much better story, but I think he can be saved. We need to sympathize for him. The way to do that, IMO, is to "victimize" him...make him the victim of evil Tyra.

Oh, no, please, no more victims!!!

Daytime needs, it screams so loudly for strong, independent people! Not naïve idiots. If you make him a victim, he'll be more of a snoozefest than he is now.

But I think 'cara mia' nailed CE's interpretation of Adam as the snotty know-it-all mathlete who rolls his eyes at the frat boy he has to tutor.

Actually, I wish Adam had been introduced as someone who was nerdy - at least, by Kansas farmboy standards - and whom Victor molded slowly into someone more sophisticated and cosmopolitan. And I would have liked to see Adam bristle under Victor's attempts to change him, too, as he struggled to stay true to his Kansas roots. That would have been an excellent way for him to bond (and yes, eventually fall in love with) Nikki, who is herself a "graduate" of the Victor Newman Finishing School.

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What I see as a potential downside with this scenario, however, is what will happen once Kay and Jill come around to accepting Phillip's sexuality once the shock and disgust wear off. I can see the two each already attempting to hook him up w/ every stray d**k that passes their way; and fighting over which stud-muffin is his ideal mate!

Downside? I'm already buying tickets!

It'd be a "downside" because, what would we gain from that, other than more Jill vs. Kay drama?

....Oh, wait.

Forget what I said.

Except Flo was likeable and yeah, a good character played by a good actress.

Glo is, was & always will be a Flo wannabe.

Honestly, I would HATE for Phillip III to be gay. I haven't been posting much because I haven't watched Thursday or Friday yet, but I've still been keeping up with the thread. IMO, that would be a bad more for the story and the future of gay actors in general. Here we FINALLY have an openly gay male, which is much more controversial than an openly gay female, and you make him gay? How predictable . That certainly isn't going to help any of the gay leading men come out of the closet. Let Thom return and put him at the center of a freaking love triangle! Show that a gay man CAN be a straight leading man, regardless of his orientation. Not only that, but the character's history is too huge with Nina, Christine and potentially Phyllis, Victoria, etc. to throw that away. Phillip (if truly alive) should be a long term character at the center of things. Making him gay will limit his storylines and love interests and has NOTHING to do with the character history. It would be another thing tacked onto an already packed story. His return to Genoa City is like two years worth of story and should be the main focus. Throwing in the gay element will a distraction and jump the shark moment.

Amen!

Glo is, was & always will be a Flo wannabe.

But Flo was nothing. Meaningless. Sure, David Kimble used her...but she was nothing.

Glo has had SO much more impact on the canvas than Flo. Flo was more convincingly "low rent"...Gloria has clearly risen above her humble roots much more effectively than Flo.

I'd hardly call marrying, and then burying, two rich husbands "rising above one's roots".

Unless, of course, her roots are those of the common crab-grass.

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I'd hardly call marrying, and then burying, two rich husbands "rising above one's roots".

Unless, of course, her roots are those of the common crab-grass.

Does she still SEEM like low-rent trailer trash to you? Her diction? Her dress? Her hair? Her self-presentation? Her dental work?

She has risen above...

The idea of making P3 gay is very appealing for personal reasons but, yes, in reality, doing so would really just be because of TB's own sexuality; it might feel like manipulating the character a little too much. On the other hand, I don't think I would complain either.

But Flo was nothing. Meaningless.

No.

That would be Glo.

I'd hardly call marrying, and then burying, two rich husbands "rising above one's roots".

Unless, of course, her roots are those of the common crab-grass.

Pretty much.

Does she still SEEM like low-rent trailer trash to you? Her diction? Her dress? Her hair? Her self-presentation? Her dental work?

She has risen above...

Yes to all of your questions except for the dental work. Who says bad teeth are a given to be trailer trash?

Goddard would NEVER ALLOW IT. Off-camera, a race car driver who dabbles in carpentry and who doesn't like birth videos because they interfere with his enjoyment of the vagina (seriously...he's said all this in interviews)...he's NEVER going there. I wouldn't believe him for an instant. THE ONLY REASON to do that is to watch Goddard CRINGE with TORTURE.

Regardless of the details, if Goddard doesn't like something--or any other actor for that matter--he should just quit.

Hearing stuff like "he would never allow it" makes my blood boil, especially for actors who don't have a, like, 30 year history with the show. Actors should fu.cking act, and do as they're told!

So, if they want him to fall on his knees and "worship" P3, he should do it or leave. I'm not sure which is better

Of course, this is all highly speculative, but I'm just saying....

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I agree. PIII shouldn't be gay. If they already planned something with Rafe and maybe

PIV

then why throw in the same thing for PIII?

The idea of making P3 gay is very appealing for personal reasons but, yes, in reality, doing so would really just be because of TB's own sexuality; it might feel like manipulating the character a little too much. On the other hand, I don't think I would complain either.

I'm torn...both sides make excellent points.

But really...P3 had sex with one woman. He needed to be drunk to impregnate her. After he decided to commit to their marriage and have sex with Nina regularly, he promptly became an alcoholic. He needed to get drunk to go on dates with Cricket.

Couple that with the fact that he was YOUNG when we saw him "dating", and it is totally plausible that one might go out with women (exclusively) during this self-denial phase. Indeed, during this phase, one can even convince oneself that one is not attracted to men...really.

I believe there is NOTHING in the backstory that is even SLIGHTLY inconsistent with a gay twist. But...because bellcurve has already given me sh!t about this...I'm not ADVOCATING for it. P3 is an open-enough canvas he can go in any direction. I do not believe his sexuality should be part of the current story unless it is the REASON P3 stayed away.

I agree. PIII shouldn't be gay. If they already planned something with Rafe and maybe

PIV

then why throw in the same thing for PIII?

The only known gay character is Rafe.

Period.

All the rest is speculation. Who said

P4

is gay? Nobody. Who said Adam is bi? Nobody. Who said P3 is gay? Nobody. That's all fan spec. So, there is nothing that stops P3 from being gay, or says he will be. It's all completely open.

I do not believe his sexuality should be part of the current story unless it is the REASON P3 stayed away.

Oh God no. If in 2009, we have a story about someone faking his death and abandoning his family cos of shame of being gay, I will puke my insides out and eat them. Eeeeeew.

His reasons, if this does happen, have to be completely separate.

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