Thank you for this article, Sylph... because it is one of the best mainstream articles I have seen on this topic in the last 48 hours.

Now that this is a mainstream arts/entertainment story and out of the hands of the soap press we should start getting more reasonable analysis.

Well, sadly, marceline, you will not get anything particularly interesting. Instead, we'll get a thumped out, blah article about the demos, the cable networks influence, women employment effect on soaps and so on. Of course, everyone will forget that cr*ppy writing did this, too.

Anyway... Who here thinks that we'll see something like 10 years of "experiments" (game shows, talks shows, perhaps some reality shows) and then they'll get back to soaps?

The cultural shift of women entering the workplace as well as alternative programming are the major causes for the decline in the Daytime audience. All Daytime programming has suffered. Of course, the crappy writing has driven a share of the remaining audience away, but is not the main reason that the soaps on are on the edge. It definitely does not help an already bad situation.

How fitting that this happened on April Fools bc its been as if TIIC have been playing one big April Fools joke on the fans for a while

its like when the days cast was unfired after the killings. i think that happened on april 1st too

The cultural shift of women entering the workplace as well as alternative programming are the major causes for the decline in the Daytime audience. All Daytime programming has suffered. Of course, the crappy writing has driven a share of the remaining audience away, but is not the main reason that the soaps on are on the edge. It definitely does not help an already bad situation.

I agree with this 100%.

Thank you for this article, Sylph...

... because it is one of the best mainstream articles I have seen on this topic in the last 48 hours.

IT'S THE DEMOGRAPHICS! Not Ellen Wheeler, not Paul Rauch, not MADD.

I'll try to provide some better evidence for that later today ...

ITA. First article that had some cold hard facts and information.

Well, sadly, marceline, you will not get anything particularly interesting. Instead, we'll get a thumped out, blah article about the demos, the cable networks influence, women employment effect on soaps and so on. Of course, everyone will forget that cr*ppy writing did this, too.

But all those things are true. The external factors do matter. They don't negate the internal factors, certainly, but 4 shows in ten years isn't all crappy writing.

Anyway... Who here thinks that we'll see something like 10 years of "experiments" (game shows, talks shows, perhaps some reality shows) and then they'll get back to soaps?

I do. I'm not sure how they'll be structure but what goes around comes around.

Edited April 2, 200916 yr by marceline

But all those things are true. The external factors do matter. They don't negate the internal factors, certainly, but 4 shows in ten years isn't all crappy writing.

Oh, I'm not saying that's not true! I'm just saying I'm bored reading it for the 50th time.

I do. I'm not sure how they'll be structure but what goes around comes around.

Good. I will be interested to see how it goes.

Daytime Confidential is reporting that the rumor is that P&G are shopping ATWT and GL as a package deal

http://www.daytimeconfidential.com/2009/04...-a-package-deal

I'm really proud that this is such a huge event that everyone is talking about. After all, it surely isn't every day that a 72-year old show gets the axe. It's everywhere and I'm glad that people even outside the soap world seem to be seeing what big news this is.

Daytime Confidential is reporting that the rumor is that P&G are shopping ATWT and GL as a package deal

http://www.daytimeconfidential.com/2009/04...-a-package-deal

Wow. If PGP is packaging ATWT and GL as a packaged deal, then would they both end up getting the axe come September?

CBS has a plan for one of their hours, but what about the second one?

Things DO NOT look good for CBS. Period. I think the only show safe is Y&R at this point.

I'm really proud that this is such a huge event that everyone is talking about.

Actually, Dan... Wake up, no one is.

Actually, Dan... Wake up, no one is.

Now don't be a buzzkill Slyph. Let me have my illusion.

By the way: They may not be talking about it, but they are HEARING about it and that's good enough for me. Radio, newscasts, newspapers, internet. It's everywhere, which is mostly what I meant anyway.

Edited April 2, 200916 yr by Dan

OK, sorry!

B&B is safe due to all the money it makes overseas. I think the show is a piece of s+it.