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My brother is only 53 and he served in Vietnam. He enlisted in 1972 at 17 and fought until the end of the war. He and his best friend both went.

So no he would not have to be in his 60's.

Oh the date of birth given for Jack onscreen once was October 10, 1953 which makes Jack 55 and will turn 56 this year.

That means when Jack appeared in 1980 he was 27 years old.

As I said before there is no reason Jack couldn't have served in Vietnam. He could have been drafted and as others said not all rich folks dodged their service. Some of them actually served, and to make those judgements about anyone is just that a judgement.

And the question was not whehter Jack didn't serve or not - what boiled down was it was possible so William J. Bell was not rewriting history because that was never established. That is just your judgement of whether you think Jack served or not.

It was possible for him to serve. It was not established that he did not serve. He is the right age. So it was not a rewrite of history because it was never stated.

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And haters will be Haters, hence their being anti fangurls, LOL!

BTW when somethang becomes OBVIOUS, like the supposed demise of Phick and reunion of Shick, then you can bet it aint gonna happen. This is "classic" Bell writing after all, LOL!

And whats with the personal attacks. We all have agendas when we are on the MBs, whether it be about a couple, a character, ratings, the writing. Doesnt make us any less of a fan of the show.

Back On topic. I thought the Phick scenes were great. JM and MS were AWESOME and were on FIRE, and yes I will ride on the Phick Bus

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What some of you are calling personal attacks is just that taking it too personal. And it just reminds me of the old saying of if the shoe fits ......

It is not a personal attack at all, but just a venting from fans who are tired of the dire hard fanatical portions of fan bases who work to yes make their voice heard but do it at the expense of what is best for the show.

It is more of a we're as mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore.

These campaigns that many of the fan bases have launched have been detrimental to other parts of the show.

I enjoyed the Nick & Phyllis scenes this week but not because they were with them or part of the couple - they were just good scenes. But that is not to say that I have not enjoyed the recent Nick & Sharon scenes too.

The stuff that fan bases do like the mass voting in online polls and magazine polls; the paroling of message boards and when something is said in a negative connotation about their fave then they rally their group and they all run to that site and defend in masses; the banning of members from boards because they are not fans of a pairing; the sheet campaigns and other type campaigns to make sure their fave stays front and center; the hate mail like was bestowed on Cady McClain and others because they were threats onscreen to a pairing; and so on. And all this about who has the biggest fan base or the most covers and etc. as if trying to prove to someone that your favorite is the most important part of the show. I remember last year with the EJ & EJami fan base saying well our board has more members than any other board on the Internet and that means EJami is the most important couple not only on Days but on soaps. If the powers that be know what is good for them then they won't do anything to anger us. As if they are saying you do what we want and give us our EJami or we will all quit watching and Days won't be around anymore.

All that is documented. And not every member of a fan base participates in it. Not every fan of any couple becomes a part of that. but they are there. And they are documented. It happens and it cannot be denied.

Those are the parts of the fan bases that we are all tired of. To me you can be a fan of the couple without going to the extreme. And all that stuff is the extreme.

And some of you say you are not a part of that but yet you are getting mad at us for calling them out on it. To me if you are taking it personal that speaks volumes to me.

I have no problem with anybody writing letters to anyone and letting them know who you like and don't like. We all do that. There is nothing wrong with that. I write letters telling them from time to time what parts of the show I like and don't like.

It is the going overboard and it being all about a couple or character and promoting them over the rest of the show. That is where it becomes a problem.

And I for one make no apologies for speaking out about it. It is time that the fans of the shows become a fan base of our own and unite to make sure the writers know that what we want too. And what we want is what is best for the show and some time that might mean what is good for a certain couple and sometimes it might not be.

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Unfortunately, Lauren didn't shoot the wrong Phyllis; but I think she did shoot the wrong Sheila. I think Sugar, and not Sheila, bit the dust, so to speak.

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Thank you. I might level criticism against this-or-that fanbase, but I am not juvenile enough to level it against this-or-that fan. So, if you are a member of the fanbase-in-question, and you do take what I say personally, then that's your problem.

Besides, as an online friend is quick to remind me sometimes, "It's just the Internet!".

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Steve Frame, a big fat WORD to your last post. I have had it with these vocal obsessive fan bases. They want to cower the rest of us into submission or say whatever they want. They rig enough online polls and send enough crap to the soaps as it stands.

Oh, don't forget how LML fired Adrianne Leon because she gained weight. Of all the things LML did, I found that the most intolerable.

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I am not as generous in forgiving MAB for the Victor vasectomy and Sharon/Paris mistakes.

Couldn't she look up the net?

There's nobody she could consult?

As for the Jack in Vietnam thing,sure it was possible,but didn't really fit in with the Jack character.I hated Jack as the loving husband.Luan was the stereotypical subservient Asian woman.All she did was mope around and then die.

After the initial intro of Keemo,nothing was done with him and now he has been forgotten,so the whole thing was pointless.

However,every writer has made these mistakes and contradicted what went before.

Bill Bell rewrote the Carl Williams story.We were expected to believe he had mysteriously disappeared a few short years ago,when it never happened!!

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Their fight scene was probably one of the most "realistically" portrayed and written I have ever seen on this show. Rarely do we get soap writers writing such scenes that shows such rawness and vulnerability in a marriage, especially one that started under the circumstances that Nick and Phyllis did. It appears both Nick and Phyllis are going to have to deal with their issues each in their OWN way. I doubt very much that Phick will be over anytime soon, instead it appears they are going to go through an extremely painful process to get to the beginning of THEIR OWN story. I am dreading it and loving the angst and drama at the same time.

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Absolute perfection Steve! I was there once, but no more. I learned the lesson the hard way, by having my family threatened by members of the 'opposing' fanbase. So I no longer go there. I have my favorites, and I'm not ashamed to tell anyone who they are, but what's best for the overall show should always be what's on my screen and not the writers pandering to one fanbase or the other.

And for the record, I'm definitely NOT on the Nick and Phyllis bus, BUT I did enjoy their scenes this week for what they were. I saw two actors doing their jobs very well.

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It is just jaw-dropping the way this show has bounced back since 2007. If Y&R doesn't win best show at the Emmys there's no justice in the world.

Perfectly understandable, considering Billy was played at the time by Scott Seymour, the cross-eyed wonder.

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Things are briefly fine, then they’re down for a long time, then they rise for a brief finale. There is some reward. The soap line goes along almost straight, though inextricably tangled, down. The soaps are probably more true to the life of their own audience than they appear to be; certainly they are truer in pace, in content, and in subjects of concern than any other kind of television is. Not that there is much amnesia or that much insanity out here. Not that each woman’s secret fear, or hope, is that she is bearing the child of inappropriate member of her family. But the despair, the treachery, the being trapped in a community with people whom one hates and who mean one ill, the secrets one cannot expose—except once or twice — in the course of years when changes and revelations occur in sudden jumps: These must be the days of a lot of lives. This is not the evening’s entertainment, which one watches, presumably, with members of the family; not the shared family situation comedies, which (with the important exception of “All in the Family”) are comfortable distortions of what family life is like. Soap operas are watched in solitude. This is the daytime world of the Randolphs, the Matthewses, the Hortons, the Tates —a daily one-way encounter group, a mirror, an eavesdropping or the apparent depression of being just folks for more than twenty years. It is even entering the commercials now—the utter joylessness. There are still the cheery, inane commercials with white tornadoes and whiter wash. But there are beginning to be hopeless underdogs; unpretty, sarcastic Madge, who, as a manicurist, deals with actors who look as though they knew about life in cold-water flats. the emphasis on cold-water products. The view of life as a bitter, sad, dangerous ordeal, with a few seconds reprieve before the next long jolt to decent souls, cannot be confined to one side of the screen. Not on seventeen daytime serials. When, for millions, a credible villain is a suicide, dead, and well out of it. And, a hero is a man compelled to live his drama out, the daylight view of what life is like is far less sunny on television, anyway, than the view by night.
    • Heffa? Girl, bye? MONA!!!!!!!!!!! I'm rolling. 
    • It was just inexcusable. SMH. I'm surprised Lisa Brown didn't change it somehow. 
    • So many things would have had to be different for Mary to want to go back to Reginald. It could have been interesting if it had been handled completely differently but as it was we had a very black and white Mary good/Reginald bad. If she had been able to ignore his worldly crimes and how he treated his own children there was still the fact that he had separated her from her children. Maybe if they had shown us more intimacy and affection between them and had allowed him to have real vulnerabilities it could have worked but as it played out they didn't do much to present him with any sympathetic hook. There are a lot of ways to define wanting things to work. Fans are mostly thinking of preserving or restoring characters and an atmosphere that drew them to the show. The sponsor may only be thinking of the bottom line. When a producer or HW comes in and decides that their vision will deliver for the bottom line and they need to fire most of the cast in order to do it it can feel very much like not caring. 
    • I remember this getting a lot of criticism at the time.
    • Maeve breaks me reading that letter. If you ever need to cry, look it up. Other than the dopey line about Henry wanting to come home to Van's rice (or tapioca) pudding (VANESSA CHAMBERLAIN DOES NOT COOK, Y'all...) it's a sweet sign-off to one of the best father/daughter relationships on soaps. Other than Ross, and Bill (if he says something, which I assume he does) and the letter, the rest of it is BS. I haven't watched it in a while, but it typifies what I dislike most about events that should be laden in history. The writers are too lazy to do the work and get it right. And it becomes about making sure characters X, Y and Z make their guarantees. Roger being there is an abomination. Henry never ever saw Nola as a gold-digger. She and Quint were practically engaged before he even knew Quint was his son. Before that, he was fairly close to Bea and enjoyed Nola's spirit. And Henry never helped Rick become an Eagle Scout.  I get that maybe you don't want to play Amanda#1 or Dinahs 1&2, or Billy, Trish or Alan #1 clips, but damn it....don't make stuff up. I'd have much rather watched clips from Henry, Vanessa and Ross' early days than Rick blather on, or nuMichelle try and dig for a human-like emotion or wonder why after TEN YEARS, Dinah and Quint have never met.   Do not remember anyone named Tina. I barely remember Dahlia, and that's mostly because for a while, I saw Sharon Leal in everything after she left GL.   Reva and Josh airhogs? ALWAYS, darling. ALWAYS. RME. I hate to tar and feather Robert Newman with that brush, but DAMN. 
    • Oooooooooooooo a Jazmen script off of a Sara Bibel breakdown.    I'm intrigued. Lol. Yeah, one thing I can say for sure...when SilkPress is about to have a crazy moment, they do give her music. 
    • I am so happy now. Reminds me of the 80s show I loved. Ron really did the cast and fans dirty. The only people complaining are those who only knew Ron and his whiplash plot driven stories 
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