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OLTL: Discussion for the week January 12th

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So it's okay for Dorian to lie, cheat, steal, manipulate, be a major bitch and hit people with her car. But not okay to give her former lover a blowjob because it "diminishes" her character and "negates any dignity and class the character has". Puh-lease. That's to say she had any "class and dignity" left after all the far more atrocious things that woman has done in the past.

And I wouldn't even need a reason to give Tuc Watkins some under robe loving.

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So it's okay for Dorian to lie, cheat, steal, manipulate, be a major bitch and hit people with her car. But not okay to give her former lover a blowjob because it "diminishes" her character and "negates any dignity and class the character has". Puh-lease. That's to say she had any "class and dignity" left after all the far more atrocious things that woman has done in the past.

And I wouldn't even need a reason to give Tuc Watkins some under robe loving.

Oral sex is one thing if it's part of loving somebody or even if it's purely for sexual gratification. Any sex act when used to manipulate is tantamount to prostitution IMO, and I guess I think that's beneath Dorian. JMHO.

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I agree. I kind of thought that whole scene was pretty ridiculous, Dorian can manipulate David or anyone for that matter in a much better, classier way. Kind of disapointed, OLTL!

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IMO, Casiello said it best with this:

Sure, Dorian would do a lot of things to get her hands on that fortune (and she has!), but the implication of getting down on one's knees seems beneath her to me.

I wonder how Strasser felt about having to do that.

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Tom Casiello is not God, and frankly for all his eloquence his run at DAYS was not the glittering theoretical jewel they'd wanted to do in their heads but never managed to fully put on air (that may be Ken Corday's fault, but still). Either way for all his Internet popularity, he does not speak from on high. I've watched for 16 years, Dorian has always been a favorite character, the picture of a strong female antihero, and I was not offended by Dorian giving head. If anything it's the least she does in the bedroom.

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Tom Casiello is not God, and frankly for all his eloquence his run at DAYS was not the glittering theoretical jewel they'd wanted to do in their heads but never managed to fully put on air (that may be Ken Corday's fault, but still). Either way for all his Internet popularity, he does not speak from on high. I've watched for 16 years, Dorian has always been a favorite character, the picture of a strong female antihero, and I was not offended by Dorian giving head. If anything it's the least she does in the bedroom.

Well, I don't think Casiello is God either (I've made my thoughts on soap critics and columnists known before), but I can't help but agree with him. I've watched OLTL on and off 8 years, and I love Dorian too, but I think that they made her look like a trashy whore.

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I've watched for 16 years, Dorian has always been a favorite character, the picture of a strong female antihero, and I was not offended by Dorian giving head.

With all due respect, Vee, I think it's easy not to be offended, because Dorian hasn't been Dorian since Robin Strasser left OLTL for the first time, way the hell back in '87. The Dorian who returned from Mendorra during the early '90's probably would have performed oral sex on David; but the Dorian from the late '70's and early '80's wouldn't've.

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But Dorian likes sex. And she likes it with David, they have a history and she was having fun. Even brittle Nancy Pinkerton Dorian liked sex, sex cost her her right to practice medicine, and sex made her a very wealthy woman. I don't think she's "above it". And if Robin didn't want to do something that suggestive, I really don't think she would have done it. I think the team at OLTL has enough respect for her to run that by her first, hell, a lot of that *choreography* may have been her doing.

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I have watched these scenes, and I find them entertaining and humorous. Strasser and Watkins are a GOLDEN pairing, and it is a shame the show can't have them front burner all the time.

That said, I have watched Dorian scheme in myriad ways (including marrying for money) since the 1970s, and I found nothing untoward about Dorian's oral sex.

Tom Casiello seems to think it somehow "demeaned" Dorian to be on her knees...but what an awful conception of that sex act! If Dorian ENJOYS being with David (and of course she does!), then pleasuring him that way also brings pleasure to her. Viewing this as a subservient act of prostitution is SO old school, and so antiquated.

For me, the VICTORY in this story was to see a 60-something year old woman be depicted as an enthusiastically sexual woman, without seeming pathetic or unattractive. Indeed, when David and Dorian are together, I completely forget about the age difference.

Also, I cannot think of a single more entertaining story on daytime right now. I showed the Vickeroshi scenes to two non-OLTL viewers this morning, and they laughed out loud (they have a low tolerance for crap, too), and wanted to know more. THAT is the mark of good writing, production, and acting, IMO.

I feel Dorian was much more compromised when she killed a baby long ago, or when she was suspected of killing Victor Lord, than by this humorous act of pleasuring. Let there be NO doubt that -- had David accepted Dorian's favors -- she would have been REPAID IN KIND!

And Dorian's shrieks at the destruction of her vase? That scene belongs in the classics vault!

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Good god. That high school principal looks, well, manly?. She scares me a little. Very mean looking woman.

I believe she is a broadway star?

Oh my. That picture of Erika on the wall behind Jessica is pretty damn horrific. Erika should sue!

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With all due respect, Vee, I think it's easy not to be offended, because Dorian hasn't been Dorian since Robin Strasser left OLTL for the first time, way the hell back in '87.

Uh-huh. Well, good luck with that.

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Latest Ravenbeauty stuff. Don't yell at me, it is still fun to play pretend.

She is obviously speaking of- Vanessa Santi Montez, then Kathy Brier and whatshisname who plays her hubbie.

An the GL star is obviously Kim Zimmer-

Now grab your Caramel Moooskhilateryatto or Whatever the F, and read on:

Hey Gang,

It's that time again so pull up a chair and grab a nice steaming hot Caramel Machiatto as I throw a few suds your way.

Major changes coming to OLTL with yet another failed leading lady who has one foot out the door. As you know, I was first to tell you that Justis Bolding (Sarah/OLTL) would be out and here we go again. This leading lady was literally force fed to a rather non responsive audience. ABC is beginning to realize that they may have made a mistake. She's not catching on, so they are trying one last story to see if they can gain sympathy and affection for this character. If they can't get a pulse, she's out. The really big surprise is that she may not go alone! She may have someone very surprising in tow, but these are just early rumblings.

Speaking of rumblings, I warned you that you would be saying goodbye to a supporting actress sooner than later. ABC is cutting out the fat and trimming the cast down to major players only mixed in with a few young newbies. They are looking at her exit story now, but the decision was mutual basically. No hard feelings. She may take recurring, but sources are saying she is ready to go and they don't have much more they can do with her. What will become of her onscreen husband you might ask? They haven't decided. I will let you know more when I get more on this.

A big name veteran from another network is in talks with ABC as we speak. Seems the ship she's on will be sinking permanently here very soon and she doesn't want to be the last woman standing. Here's a shocker, hear-tell they may not even want her. She's seen as a loose cannon and a very expensive one to boot. They may pass on this one, although the jury is still out. She is one of several cast members already looking for a new home.

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I don't think there's room or budget for KZ on AMC or OLTL. At least not for anything long term. Oh Lord, will she be Taylor's mother? She could always go back to OLTL as back from the dead Echo, play with her old GL buddy JvD. A Kim Zimmer and Erika Slezak rivalry? I feel like my TV would explode.

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