I've just finished it. Heaven.

It's odd. Kay Alden said that Frons loves daytime, Nelson said that Frons loves daytime. Maybe the son of a bitch DOES love daytime...is my whole framework falling apart?

IMHO, He does love it. And he is trying to save it.

He is gets an epic fail, but...

Love what he said about Laura Wright being soo happy. the happiest person on daytime.

i also loved that bryan dattilo from days ran ontage when gh won...

vanessa! come home!

OMG! Vanessa + ASJ=HAWT!

is there a transcript copy of this. I can't hear it very well.

No good diva over 40?

I beg to differ.

Nancy Lee Grahn and Jane Eliot are acting giants on GH. They're there, even if GH doesn't use them enough.

Alexis is not a diva in my book. You are right about Tracy, but she is so pitifully under used she may as well not be there (although I'm glad she is).

I think Frons might love daytime, but he is poison to it, everything he does is killing the ABC soaps

Not convinced he loves AMC though, given the FU it got considering they did a OLTL/GH promo but AMC was nowhere to be found

Sad that right now it seems like ABC Daytime is in better shape than CBS Daytime and that's not saying much given the shape ABC is in

Someone needs to pull a Gloria Monty, because CBS as a whole is in the same state that GH was before Monty saved that sinking ship.

I read about this late last night when I got home from work. He was shunned by Barbara Bloom for the CBS After Emmy party or something like that?

I think Frons might love daytime, but he is poison to it, everything he does is killing the ABC soaps

Not convinced he loves AMC though, given the FU it got considering they did a OLTL/GH promo but AMC was nowhere to be found

Sad that right now it seems like ABC Daytime is in better shape than CBS Daytime and that's not saying much given the shape ABC is in

AMC doesnt have a couple that fits that promo yet, IMHO.

and hates amc? that sure explanes the MAJOR pimpage of it at the emmys.

OMG, did you hear Beth E left GL and is going to AMC?

Beth E has left GL for AMC

Ricky Paull Golden will be reunited with Beth E on AMC!

Beth E is comming to AMC!

Guess what? Beth E is coming to AMC!!

Beth, why are you sitting at the AMC table? Oh, your going to AMC?!

Ricky, why is your former GL costar with you at the AMC table? Oh wow, shes coming to AMC!

Gues what yall? Beth E is coming to AMC!

yeah Brian we got the message.

Jason Cook coming to GH got one little plug, and it was perfect. AMC got tons.

I liked his rant about Ellen Wheeler the best. She's a hackjob who has completely destroyed GL. She is a cancer to the Industry.

She has no business being a producer at all. She was a director for three years before she got promoted to being a producer at GL, where she lasted for six months before she decided to go back to ATWT (and I'm going to say this: She was a shitty director too, but most people gave her a pass because "Look! It's Marley/Cindy!") So basically: 4 years total directing experience, 6 months producing experience, and she gets promoted to EP! WTF?! She wasn't qualified from the start, and I knew she would be an epic failure from the start. I just never realized how big of a disaster she would actually be.

So let's review: GL has been gutted, ATWT isn't fairing much better with a team that should've been replaced eons ago, Y&R has strayed from the "Bell Way" of doing things (Hogan Sheffer as co-HW?! WTF?) Yeah, Barbara Bloom has been quite the disaster.

I liked his rant about Ellen Wheeler the best. She's a hackjob who has completely destroyed GL. She is a cancer to the Industry.

She has no business being a producer at all. She was a director for three years before she got promoted to being a producer at GL, where she lasted for six months before she decided to go back to ATWT (and I'm going to say this: She was a shitty director too, but most people gave her a pass because "Look! It's Marley/Cindy!") So basically: 4 years total directing experience, 6 months producing experience, and she gets promoted to EP! WTF?! She wasn't qualified from the start, and I knew she would be an epic failure from the start. I just never realized how big of a disaster she would actually be.

So let's review: GL has been gutted, ATWT isn't fairing much better with a team that should've been replaced eons ago, Y&R has strayed from the "Bell Way" of doing things (Hogan Sheffer as co-HW?! WTF?) Yeah, Barbara Bloom has been quite the disaster.

That pretty much sums it up. Maybe there will be some major changes after all this??...Yeah Right!

I liked his rant about Ellen Wheeler the best. She's a hackjob who has completely destroyed GL. She is a cancer to the Industry.

She has no business being a producer at all. She was a director for three years before she got promoted to being a producer at GL, where she lasted for six months before she decided to go back to ATWT (and I'm going to say this: She was a shitty director too, but most people gave her a pass because "Look! It's Marley/Cindy!") So basically: 4 years total directing experience, 6 months producing experience, and she gets promoted to EP! WTF?! She wasn't qualified from the start, and I knew she would be an epic failure from the start. I just never realized how big of a disaster she would actually be.

So let's review: GL has been gutted, ATWT isn't fairing much better with a team that should've been replaced eons ago, Y&R has strayed from the "Bell Way" of doing things (Hogan Sheffer as co-HW?! WTF?) Yeah, Barbara Bloom has been quite the disaster.

I hate making this comparison, but it makes sense if you think about it. GL's Ellen Wheeler being titled as the shows Executive Producer back in 2004 was like The Falcons naming Jim Mora (ex-Head Coach) as their new Head Coach for the football team. At first, they both had so much energy to improve whatever it is that they had to do, but after awhile, they both lost that passion and energy. The only thing is ... Jim Mora was fired (and rather rudely I may add ... he found out on the front cover of the Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper I believe) and The Falcons suck. Well ... Guiding Light hasn't fired Wheeler yet and the show is still the pits and it's probably because I don't think there's anyone who would want to work for PGP anymore. They've burned so many bridges in my opinion.

Sorry if that was a bad comparison. I was just thinking about that because I use to go and see the Falcons all the time, but what's the point in going to another football game if there's a head coach that doesn't know what he's doing? My apologies. Football and soaps. That's kind of out there, but my mind wanders every once in awhile.

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by Noel

So let's review: GL has been gutted, ATWT isn't fairing much better with a team that should've been replaced eons ago, Y&R has strayed from the "Bell Way" of doing things (Hogan Sheffer as co-HW?! WTF?) Yeah, Barbara Bloom has been quite the disaster.

It's a sad state of affairs when you can point to B&B as being the most stable soap on the CBS lineup.

Uh-huh, okay. This statement would only make sense if none of us had ever watched either of these programs. So let me ask you this: Have you watched GL?

Because I have. Repeatedly. Watching it is like when Malcolm McDowell's eyes are nailed open in A Clockwork Orange. It is like watching a show burn itself alive, every tape, every inch of footage, every negative, every reel, immolating itself from the inside-out. Every day, something new dies. Every day something else erodes or rots and falls off, like syphillis. Every day something means a little less. There is no continuity. There are no storylines. There is absolutely no character integrity or continuity. Everything is about random one-off events. Everything is about at least two musical montages per episode, with constant bad music playing throughout. Every ten minutes, Mallet looks at a picture. Dinah walks around. Reva looks out a window. What are they doing? What are they thinking about? Why is anything happening? You won't get an answer, because there is nothing there. Absolutely nothing.

Say what you will about Carlivati or OLTL, but he's able to tell new stories that respect history and longtime families and veterans, whereas most soaps are content to just piss on them. He's one of the only people out there left behind the camera who doesn't seem ashamed to be "stuck" in daytime. Bob Guza hates daytime. He's always wanted primetime or cable or movies, so he tries to turn his shows into sub-par, PG-13 rated versions of all the screenplays and pilots sitting rejected on his shelf. Every three months it's a new attempt for Bob Guza to exorcise the demons of Bob Guza's failed dreams of being David Chase or Stephen Bochco. And over on GL, Ellen Wheeler, an actress I used to deeply admire, has become an absolutely pathetic executive producer, and her mentor/bf(f) Chris Goutman a burnt-out husk at ATWT, and so it's no surprise to me to hear that she wants GL to be not daytime drama - one of the founding daytime dramas, for God's sake, that should be leading the path into the future while respecting its roots - but The Hills, because that's exactly what all that vaguely faux-stylish nothing most resembles. It's not even stylish, strike that; it just tries to be moody by having people look at nothing for fifteen minutes out of the show while that incredibly cheap, awful music plays over and over. They all look like they're living in an internment camp, it's that cheap and ugly. And do you know why GL has no continuity, no consistency, no stories? It's because they no longer even have any story projections. Nothing means anything day to day and there is absolutely nothing "new" or "fresh" or intelligent about it. So please, please, please don't give us the "at least they try!" merit badge speech. Because they don't try. They don't. Look at it sometime. Look at it for more than a day, more than a week. They don't.

And it's really disgusting, because you look at an episode from 1991, and you wonder, 'why?'

My goodness what an angry response, but yes, a well-written response. I repeat my original statement. I think soaps need to try something different. A lot of people on this board really enjoy OLTL and many are outspoken -- some take contrary opinions better than others. If what Ron is doing brings large numbers of fans back to OLTL, then he has found the key. If not, I don't see the great sin in a soap that is not doing well trying something different. GL won best drama emmys previously and it doesn't seem to have done them any good. I hope this doesn't generate a string of anonymous posts on DD, but we shall see. Anyway, what GL is doing may not work. If so, then perhaps other soaps won't try it and perhaps what OLTL is doing will turn around daytime, in which case other soaps will follow in its path. I see nothing wrong with soaps trying and I certainly nothing wrong with discussing it in a general interest thread.

I agree with lots of your points, just to a lesser extreme. Certainly I still get things out of wtaching OLTL and even, yes AMC in its current state daily that keep me watching--and it's not JUST loyalty though that plays a huge part. I wouldn't rather watch a CSI rerun--I wouldn't get the same thing from it (and I liek CSI fine) or a primetime show. But I know I'm startign to be in more and more of a minority there

I think that a lot of people do still get a lot out of soaps. Others may have become addicted to more fast-paced dramas that they find on other channels. If Ron's approach works, that is where it will work, with people who have grown up watching soaps and who enjoyed the type storytelling that was common in what people refer to as the traditional approach. But I don't think it will be a quick fix. He seems to be trying to appeal to what he said is a "core" of soap viewers who have watched for a considerable amount of time by reminding them of why they watched soaps 10, 20 years ago. Perhaps in doing so, those people will watch with their children like many of us did -- no I'm not saying all of us. I don't want to get anyone upset. :lol: That would prompt somewhat of a generational change. I don't mean to offend, but it seems a lot of soaps are trying different things and maybe something will catch on. I think it's obvious no one approach is going to catch on for everyone.