Tawny Kitaen (Lisa DiNapoli) has passed:

 

A clip of her and Signy Coleman that she tweeted out earlier this year:

 

 

Edited May 8, 20214 yr by Faulkner

That is sad news. Being a Clevelander and Cleveland Indians fan, I remember well the domestic violence charges she faced against her then-husband, Chuck Finley. It really wasn't known to the public at that point that she struggled with addiction. I feel for her daughters and hope that Tawny is at peace now. 🙏❤

Sad news. Just watched this scene on facebook. Beautiful scene.

 

 

She could have stayed on long term...she would have been an interesting spoiler to Mason/Julia.

 

It's a shame that drugs took over her life....she had so much potential.

22 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

She could have stayed on long term...she would have been an interesting spoiler to Mason/Julia.

 

It's a shame that drugs took over her life....she had so much potential.

 

All Mason/Julia ever had were spoilers - and Mason's drinking. Still, I did like TK's Lisa. And agree she probably could have survived as her own character with her own romance, etc. Funny how her Lisa spoke here of not inheriting her sisters' blonde hair and blue eyes considering Temp Lisa/Lisa #2, Téa Leoni, had exactly that. (Okay, I remember. TL was just a temp. Tawny Kitaen did come back and played out the blackmail by Robert Barr before leaving for good.)

 

 

Edited May 10, 20214 yr by Wendy

RIP Tawny Kitaen...

 

I think Lisa may have been the only female friend that Mason & Julia ever had, even though she turned out to be a spy. I really liked her.

On 5/3/2021 at 8:13 PM, j swift said:

Today I re-watched the ep where Kelly pushes Dylan out of the window.  It is a particularly odd story that doesn't age well.  First, Dylan was a threat to Kelly's safety.  Others were aware of the threat, (including her brother-in-law and member of the police, Cruz) so the fact that SB police needed video evidence to believe that Kelly was not a murderer is unbelievable.  Second, it was clearly an accident.  Kelly was 30 lbs lighter than Dylan soaking wet, so there was no way that she could have actually thrown him out of a window.  Third, it all occurred in a well occupied hotel, so the idea that nobody heard or saw anything strains credulity.

You must have seen just bits and pieces of the episode, because there were several scenes of people hearing what was going on. The screaming didn't begin until right before Kelly pushed Dylan out, and Gina was outside the door hearing them (even though she thought Eden was in there). Nick heard the noise in the elevator on his way to that floor. Cruz, CC and Ted were in the hotel lobby and heard the commotion as well & the clerk was getting calls from other guests about the commotion. So no straining in that regard 

Kelly pushed Dylan out of the window by shoving a cart into him. That, along with the fact that she feared he was going to kill Nick (who she believed was outside  the room), makes it believable enough for me that she was able to push him out.

Also, the notes that Kelly had left for Nick but directed Dylan to the hotel insteadmade it seem like she had lured Dylan there as a trap. People may have known that Dylan was stalking Kelly, but Kelly was hardly stable herself at that point so I totally understand why self-defense was not proven. Remember, her story was that Dylan had a gun, but Gina had taken the weapon from the room, so the evidence didn't back up her story. It made Kelly seem like a confused killer, and she did make several self-incriminating statements after the incident.

 

It was a well-written and well-acted story.

On 4/20/2021 at 3:07 AM, j swift said:

Also Joe was the janitor at Kelly's high school which is a little sketchy. 

 

Janitor? No, he was just a couple of classes ahead of Kelly. In fact, it was mentioned that Peter was teaching both Kelly and Joe before Channing was killed.

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On 5/6/2021 at 7:25 PM, Elsa said:

Back in the day I could not accept any Kelly recast after RW. Now I see that what CG brought to the table. I could not see her as Joe or Jeffrey's Kelly, but that character would not have survived in the 90s as a tortured princess. CG's Kelly was like Kimberly Simms as Mindy. Just perfect. TPTB were crazy to recast, especially with ED.

 

WORD!

4 hours ago, soapfan81 said:

Janitor? No, he was just a couple of classes ahead of Kelly. In fact, it was mentioned that Peter was teaching both Kelly and Joe before Channing was killed.

Having been rewatching the early episodes, I can confirm it is true.

But even then j swift's point stands, I think. Joe and Kelly weren't as creepy since he was not the janitor but Peter being her teacher in HS certainly is even creepier as he had direct authority over her!
So I still take "Plot points that really didn't age well" by $1000, Alex.

18 hours ago, soapfan81 said:

People may have known that Dylan was stalking Kelly, but Kelly was hardly stable herself at that point so I totally understand why self-defense was not proven. Remember, her story was that Dylan had a gun, but Gina had taken the weapon from the room, so the evidence didn't back up her story

I feel like Roseanne Rosanadana getting all my "facts" wrong today. This make more sense.  Was Keith the DA at the time?   Because, he always perverted justice when it came to the Capwells and I stand by my assumption that anyone would have believed Kelly acted in self-defense.

 

18 hours ago, soapfan81 said:

Janitor? No, he was just a couple of classes ahead of Kelly. In fact, it was mentioned that Peter was teaching both Kelly and Joe before Channing was killed.

Just so I wasn't 100% wrong, I went back and checked and Joe apparently did work-study with the custodial staff to pay for tuition at Kelly's private school (who had apparently didn't do background checks when they hired former gigolo Peter Flint as their physics teacher).  Warren referenced the issue with his mother who was flirting with Joe when she hired him as a handyman at the Lockridge estate.

 

However, it does beg the question once again as to why Danny Andrade attended Lyman High School with Ted Capwell and Laken Lockridge (as seen in their caper with the camel in Mr Bottoms' classroom), but Santana went to public school with Cruz, Keith, and Victoria Lane.  Didn't Santana grow up at the Capwell estate?  I wonder when/why Rosa and Ruben moved to their own place?  Or were they always day staff and Santana just accompanied her mother to work sometimes?

 

2 hours ago, j swift said:

I feel like Roseanne Rosanadana getting all my "facts" wrong today. This make more sense.  Was Keith the DA at the time?   Because, he always perverted justice when it came to the Capwells and I stand by my assumption that anyone would have believed Kelly acted in self-defense.

 

Just so I wasn't 100% wrong, I went back and checked and Joe apparently did work-study with the custodial staff to pay for tuition at Kelly's private school (who had apparently didn't do background checks when they hired former gigolo Peter Flint as their physics teacher).  Warren referenced the issue with his mother who was flirting with Joe when she hired him as a handyman at the Lockridge estate.

 

However, it does beg the question once again as to why Danny Andrade attended Lyman High School with Ted Capwell and Laken Lockridge (as seen in their caper with the camel in Mr Bottoms' classroom), but Santana went to public school with Cruz, Keith, and Victoria Lane.  Didn't Santana grow up at the Capwell estate?  I wonder when/why Rosa and Ruben moved to their own place?  Or were they always day staff and Santana just accompanied her mother to work sometimes?

 

Did we ever find out why Rueben vanished? Also, weren't he and Rosa supposed to have had more children that we never got the chance to see.

 

Rosa's relationship with Mason was always a highlight for me. You really got the sense she was his surrogate mother.

2 hours ago, j swift said:

However, it does beg the question once again as to why Danny Andrade attended Lyman High School with Ted Capwell and Laken Lockridge (as seen in their caper with the camel in Mr Bottoms' classroom), but Santana went to public school with Cruz, Keith, and Victoria Lane.  Didn't Santana grow up at the Capwell estate? 

I think Danny went to public school too. He just hung out a lot with Ted and Laken at Lyman Prep. Jade was able to go to Lyman Prep though, but that was only because her mother worked in the cafeteria.

1 hour ago, pdm1974 said:

Did we ever find out why Rueben vanished? Also, weren't he and Rosa supposed to have had more children that we never got the chance to see.

Here's the only mention of Ruben's exit that I could find from the Tumblr Soaps of Yesterday's 1984 posts

 

I find not only the Rosa/Mason relationship a missed opportunity, but also Santana as the Cinderella step-sister to Eden and Kelly, subsequent Santanas always played up the Brandon and Cruz angles, but I wanted more exploration of her motives based on growing up in the same house but with different privileges and an in-tact family.  Did she resent Mason's devotion to Rosa?  How did she feel about Kelly?  Her upbringing seems to have been overlooked in order to make her into a viable love interest for CC and Mason, even though if you think about for more hat two seconds that is kind of gross, given that they knew her as a kid. (to @FrenchBug82's point about stories that literally don't age well).

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, j swift said:

Here's the only mention of Ruben's exit that I could find from the Tumblr Soaps of Yesterday's 1984 posts

 

I find not only the Rosa/Mason relationship a missed opportunity, but also Santana as the Cinderella step-sister to Eden and Kelly, subsequent Santanas always played up the Brandon and Cruz angles, but I wanted more exploration of her motives based on growing up in the same house but with different privileges and an in-tact family.  Did she resent Mason's devotion to Rosa?  How did she feel about Kelly?  Her upbringing seems to have been overlooked in order to make her into a viable love interest for CC and Mason, even though if you think about for more hat two seconds that is kind of gross, given that they knew her as a kid. (to @FrenchBug82's point about stories that literally don't age well).

 

 

 

 

Do we know why the Dobson chose to let Ava Lazar go? Watching the early episodes I thought she was quite good.

2 hours ago, pdm1974 said:

Do we know why the Dobson chose to let Ava Lazar go? Watching the early episodes I thought she was quite good.

I'm not good at mind reading, but from this article, it seems as if everyone freaked out at the initial low ratings (remember it debuted against an extremely popular summer Olympics games on ABC, and CBS was showing great success with the expansion of Price is Right), given the expense of the show (they built a new sound stage and the hand painted flooring in the Capwell atrium alone cost over $100,000 to make it look like tile but still be quiet enough for production) so like most decisions made to please the masses, they got rid of the outliers, which in this case meant the Latinx cast.

 

 

 

To make a gross comparison I ran some numbers, $30 million in 1984 is the equivalent of $76 million in 2021.  DAYS entire production budget for 2020 was $26 million, meaning that they tried to produce as many shows at 34% of the money given to SB in its first year.

Edited May 11, 20214 yr by j swift

1 hour ago, pdm1974 said:

Do we know why the Dobson chose to let Ava Lazar go? Watching the early episodes I thought she was quite good.

In an interview, Lazar said she left because of the extreme pressure, schedule, and the way Santana was written.