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The CEOs of the Big 3 auto makers got blasted for coming to the Senate hearings in their private jets.

One Senator said "This is like showing up at a soup kitchen in a high hat and tuxedo."

Good. They should be slapped. I'd tell them no just because of their blatant arrogance and disregard for the situation they're in.

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Good. They should be slapped. I'd tell them no just because of their blatant arrogance and disregard for the situation they're in.

That is quite foul.

No wonder they are in the state they are in.

Assholes.

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And yeah agree with what you said about the racial issues in this country. Just because Obama is president doesn't mean that racial inequality is over. It doesn't mean that everything is all honky dory. I spoke with a co-worker of mine who feels that affirmative action should be over now. I said to her, "You oversee a department with 300 employees. You went to a great school, was the top of your class. Do you know that without affirmative action you probably wouldn't be the head of your department? Affirmative action made it possible for you to even be considered to have your position. You didn't automatically get it, but it forced TPTB to look at your resume."

She kinda thought about it and was like yeah, I guess you're right.

There is still a lot of work that needs to be done.

Finally, a topic I can discuss. the previous vitriole was more than I could bear.

Big 3 bailout--I think only of the workers who will suffer if jobs are lost---can we really handle more displaced workers?

Mike Huckabee-any member of any rock and roll band is cool with me. :P

On a serious note; the dialogue on race relations in this country will ,in my opinion, always be a constant. I feel and know that we have come along way in this area. Obama won this election because people saw the character not the color. I think many people find it difficult to accept, thus the personal attacks on Obama, you know "I don't like his views", "he's too left for me" kind of thing. I believe these are excuses to validate feelings about being uncomfortable with a person of color as President. It's a big change for this country and change is often very difficult to accept. I believe that is why we see all the posts regarding fear for the future of our country. Based on the nature of those posts I think the discussion needs to continue.

I really have to mull this over to give a fairly decent response. Off the top of my head though, I would say that overall it's a step in the right direction. There are going to be people with racist tendencies that are below the surface.....to the level where they don't even realize they have them.....that will have a hard time dealing with this and will probably take their resentment out on their "friends."

Discrimination isn't going to end with this one thing. Basic rights can be legislated but no one can legislate what is in the heart and mind of an individual. Some people may start dealing with feelings they never knew were there but it's also important that people communicate openly and honestly as well. Oh and let me stress sensibly because that's really important. It's complex in many ways but kind of simple in others.

I loved reading these responses. Ryan...ICAM that affirmative action is still very much needed. One of the first things Jeb Bush did when he took the govenor's office was to repeal it. He replaced it with a watered-down, neutered policy called "One Florida". Attendance by minorities at public universities has never been the same. Another issue that I've talked about before is sentencing disparity, which IMHO and let's face it, is based in racial issues. I can't understand someone that could deny that.

Hopefully, the rumored "urban czar" that Obama may appoint (there's rumors) will address both of these problems.

Additionally, there are disparities in pay between white and blacks doing the same job.

What I'm hoping for before I leave this Earth is a country that truly lives up to it's claims of "all men are created equal".

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Calif. Supreme Court to take up gay marriage ban

By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer Lisa Leff, Associated Press Writer – 48 mins ago

SAN FRANCISCO – California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying before it rules.

The California Supreme Court accepted three lawsuits seeking to nullify Proposition 8, a voter-approved constitutional amendment that overruled the court's decision in May that legalized gay marriage.

All three cases claim the measure abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.

As is its custom when it takes up cases, the court did not elaborate on its decision.

Along with the gay rights groups and local governments petitioning to overturn the ban, the measure's sponsors and Attorney General Jerry Brown had urged the Supreme Court to consider whether Proposition 8 passes legal muster.

The court directed Brown and lawyers for the Yes on 8 campaign to submit their arguments for why the ballot initiative should not be nullified by Dec. 19. It said lawyers for the plaintiffs, who include same-sex couples who did not wed before the election, must respond before Jan. 5. Oral arguments could be scheduled as early as March, according to court spokeswoman Lynn Holton.

Both opponents and supporters of Proposition 8 expressed confidence Wednesday that their arguments would prevail.

But they also agreed that the cases present the court's seven justices — six of whom voted to review the challenges — with complex questions that have few precedents in state case law.

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What I'm hoping for before I leave this Earth is a country that truly lives up to it's claims of "all men are created equal".

I hope for that too. And I am extremely happy with the Ca Supreme Court decision on prop 8. I hope we make progress towards repealing that prop.

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I just keep on thinking that the only reason he got away with shooting that guy in the head was because he was the VP, had it been "Joe the plumber" he would have been spending some time in an orange jump suit.

I agree totally. He shot a man, whether accidental or not, he should have been charged.

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So, there's a guy on Lou Dobbs talking about how the Republican party needs to go more to the right. He claims that the republican party was "damaged" before John McCain. Yes, the party was "damaged," but not because it wasn't far enough to the right concerning moral beliefs. :rolleyes:

Bush hasn't been as conservative on political issues such as big govt and all that jazz, but I don't think he or many Repubs have budged on social issues.

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So, there's a guy on Lou Dobbs talking about how the Republican party needs to go more to the right. He claims that the republican party was "damaged" before John McCain. Yes, the party was "damaged," but not because it wasn't far enough to the right concerning moral beliefs. :rolleyes:

Bush hasn't been as conservative on political issues such as big govt and all that jazz, but I don't think he or many Repubs have budged on social issues.

They are missing the entire point.

Becoming more moderate and inclusionary will garner more people under their tent.

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That, and not having people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and everyone at Fox Noise carry their water for them.

Once that happens, they will be surprised how many people will come back to them.

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The Republican Party, IMO, spends all their time launching hateful messages and being huge hypocrites. Now, many Democrats are no better, which is why I now feel we need a true 3rd party, but the RP spends their time going after Gays & Lesbians, people of color and women, trying to cut off fundemental rights guranteed under the Constitution.

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Ummm....is Keith Olbermann on vacation? Some guy with a very bad haircut has been filling in for him.

Lol Lou Dobbs has been on vacation this week too. (Not sure how much I actually miss him......)

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If someone tells another that his or her words are/were offensive then along with clarifying that the intent was not to be offensive, that individual, if courteous, would apologize. The fact that I didn't mean to step on someone's foot doesn't negate the fact that the person may feel physical pain as a result of it.

Well, by your standards then, it should matter that I was offended and actually reported the post in which Ryan suggested I was a Klan member. Where is his apology to me?

While the sum total of the forum has decided the joke was racist and I'm a bigot, everyone has virtually ignored Ryan's hateful comment and given him a pass.

Your high standards and tolerant words are defeated by your hypocrisy and double-standard. It's all bullshit and you know it. It seems to me that it only matters that a person is offended when and if they agree with you. You say that isn't what you mean? Then tell Ryan you disagree with him... and I would like to see a 20% warning next to his name. Of course, those who "moderate" the forum are hypocrites, themselves, as they haven't even responded to my complaint against Ryan. When Roman whined about whatever it was I said a month or two ago, I heard it about it right away and was slapped with a warning. In fact, Toupsy kindly told me that I could also complain. I guess he left that part off that it doesn't particularly MATTER if *I* complain... but that I could.

And that I have. With no result. I personally take that as an indication that, unless I have a hardon for Obama and wish to fall at the man's feet, my input isn't welcome here. Please note: I was the last remaining dissenting voice. Do you seriously believe every single Republican or Conservative voice has left because they are ALL sore losers? Get a clue.

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The "joke" you posted was racially tinged. It suggested that three black people should be killed because it would make the 56 million people that voted against one of them happy. Who cares about the 63 million that voted for him? Even if a black person made up the "joke" it is still racially tinged. Their conversation didn't even make sense but why should it since the punchline about making people happy over their deaths is all that matters. Don't even bother accusing me of hypersensitivity.

Stupidity... it was the same damn joke when it was about Billy Graham 8 years ago.

Was it racially tinged then?

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