Amber and her friend Alison were annoying. They looked skanky dancing together and their scenes werent funny. Why is Amber so hot to marry Cain? Im surprised by how quickly this story is being wrapped up. Cant give Jill and Kat too much airtime

I also hate how Jill keeps referring to Cain as Phillip. He is NOT Phillip. The baby's were switched and the baby she named and called Phillip is her dead son. This kid doesnt have that name and I wish she would call him my son instead

Can We Really Believe the Reliquary storyline is O-V-E-R?????????

I'm praying it is, worst story in Y & R History, IMO.

Sorry, I think it is FAR from over, since Jana is connected to it and Carmen's murder combined.

They will have to bring it up at some point when they clear Kevin of attempted murder of Colleen.

He was originally named Philip though Cheap - so he is the original Phillip - even though we as fans knew another guy as Philip. But to Jill he is her Philip because he is the Philip she gave birth too. So I can see that.

The reason that Amber wants to marry Cain is she has figured out he is Jill's son and she wants the Chancellor money.

I love this story, but it could have been so much better. Latham messed up twice here. First was deaging Philip. He should be much older. And 2nd is involving Amber.

I am so going to look forward to the battles between Kay, Jill & Amber to some degree. But they would have been so much better if it had been some other gold digger and not Amber. I can't stand her.

Yes, Jill may share a connection with Cane because she gave birth to him, he is not Phillip. Phillip is buried 6 feet under ground and it seems that Jill is totally forgetting about that. She is totally forgetting the young man she raised, the young man that had he alcohol problem, and the young man that she buried due to his problem. To me, it seems like Jill got over the real Phillip too soon. It's like, "Oh well, the boy I raised, knew and loved, he's dead. My real son is out there, so that is all I am concerned with." This storyline is so contrived and I find it very funny that the same people criticizing other writers for the lack of creativity are the same praising The Hack.

Okay...It's going to one of those "Wipe the Egg Off Your Face" situations where Kevin is concerned

Jack should keep his trap shut and stick by Colleen's side...Here's a man who watched Victor Newman have a heart attack and actually walk over him, kicking dude's hand in the process...so he should keep his mouth closed.

Second...Brad should keep his boring mouth shut too. If it wasn't for him and all his mess from his past, then maybe his daughter wouldn't be in a hospital bed.

Lastly is J.T. he couldn't solve a case to save his soul...he's stupid and once again, he's going to look dumb trying to stick it to Kevin.

I am not belittling anyone by this because I don't know who of you has children and who don't. But I can tell you one thing even as a dad there is a connection to every child that you never forget esp. if that child is from you own blood. And I can only imagine that the bond is even greater for a Mother who carried that child for 9 months and then suffered through labor to bring that child into the world.

My aunt gave a child up for adoption when she was young because she couldn't see herself raising him. She has 3 other kids but I know many times she has told me that there is still a special bond with that first child that she has never seen or even held. She loves it just as if she raised it herself, because it came out of her.

So I don't think Jill's affection for Cain or her ties to him are contrived at all. And I have not bought that she has forgotten Philip at all. Many times it has been written and expressed by Jill & Kay both how much they still love Philip. She knows Philip is dead and there is nothing she can do about that right, but as a mother she is trying to take care of the child that she can.

So no none of this is contrived.

He was originally named Philip though Cheap - so he is the original Phillip - even though we as fans knew another guy as Philip. But to Jill he is her Philip because he is the Philip she gave birth too. So I can see that.

The reason that Amber wants to marry Cain is she has figured out he is Jill's son and she wants the Chancellor money.

I love this story, but it could have been so much better. Latham messed up twice here. First was deaging Philip. He should be much older. And 2nd is involving Amber.

I am so going to look forward to the battles between Kay, Jill & Amber to some degree. But they would have been so much better if it had been some other gold digger and not Amber. I can't stand her.

oh I thought Kat had the kids switched as soon as Jill gave birth and before she named him.

As for the wedding, I thought the reason for it was to keep Cain from being departed. I didnt realize Amber knew the truth. If they are going to write her as some gold digger, I wish they'd make her more of a biyatch and not some sweet nice girls that they are portraying. I really wish she had learned her lesson after dealing with the Forresters but she's back to her old tricks

I'm SAYING! It's hard to fathom how a storyline pertaining to Jill and Katherine so QUICKLY disintegrated into "All about Amber". WTF? Even worse is the writing is a complete (but much, MUCH less exciting) rework of the original Phillip/Nina storyline. Let me refresh some memories with this backstory I searched for and found today:

Nina set her sights on Cricket's boyfriend, Phillip Chancellor III, heir to the Chancellor fortune. Nina got Phillip drunk, seduced him, and ended up pregnant. Phillip's mother, Jill and Katherine Chancellor, disapproving of Nina, tried but failed to buy her off. Nina had a son, Phillip IV, and she and Phillip married. Jill and Kay set Nina up by hiring handsome Jabot employee, Chase Benson, to seduce Nina and prove her an unfit mother. Their plan backfired. But Phillip's drinking problem soon led to his death when his sportscar slammed into a tree.

I mean really. Not even a fresh new storyline. Same damn setup, almost the same execution. I didn't like Nina, but that skank had me tuned to my tv set EVERY day she was on. Amber bores me. She's like a cartoon. And they couldn't think up a new scenario for some goldigger trying to marry into the Chancellor fortune? I guess they just figured "It worked the first time around, let's try it again!" Except with a crap actress and an even crappier character.

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Brad...BORING! I always thought he was SCUM, but at least he made his scenes, whether you liked him or not, fun to watch. WTF is going on? If I hear the word reliquary one more time, "I'M" going to kill some damn body and pin it on Kevin. Plus, he is so clearly mismatched with Victoria that it is just painful to watch their scenes together, especially the lovemaking ones. UGH!

Why did they start the Victor/Jack battle.....then loop Victor up in the Nazi crap? Dammit, I want my Victor/Jack showdown. I'm tired of waiting months on end with all this back and forth. If you're going to make us wait and wait, at least make it worth it. Not ONE storyline that has dragged on has been worth what we've received in the end. Prime example:

Sheila as Phyllis. I never liked Sheila, but I admit, when she had her first couple of outings on Y&R, that was some PRIME afternoon television viewing! I was working my daily schedule around not missing Y&R. The last two appearances in Genoa City? Not even worth brains cells I lost wasting my time watching such drivel.

And what about the dropped balls. I am still waiting to know what Tom left in that safety deposit box for Kevin that everyone just unexplicably stopped searching for.

Why has everyone completely dismissed the fact that even though Dru has been saying some nutty things, even if she were to sabotage herself, as the quack had the nerve to tell Neil yesterday, in what world do you make calls to yourself? Dru has received calls and hangups increasingly on her home, work AND cell phone, within earshot of her family and best friend! If I can sit at home and figure this out, why can't anyone in Genoa City, or worse, the writers? I find it so stupid that everyone is so fast to jump on the "Dru is a loonboon" bandwagon. IS what she says so crazy when we just finished seeing Sheila rearrange her face to look like Phyllis? When Amber solves the Phillip/Cane puzzle in less than a WEEK, but it took Paul and JT, PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS, no less, a couple of MONTHS? When Victor, Victoria and Brad EASILY unearth a treasure within ONE WEEK of cracking the code. Yet HOW MANY people dealing with the cactacombs passed over a treasure, that was BARELY HIDDEN, for nearly 60 years? Just ridiculous.

Oh, and I am a Sharon HA-TER from DAY 1, but I have been actually LOVING her scenes. WTF? Oh nooooo, something is seriously wrong here. Although in seriousness here, I do believe this is solely because Sharon Case has really become a much better actress than she used to be. She makes just about everything she is given "WORK".

Nikki - please give Mrs. Newman something other to do than !@#$%^&*] at Sharon every time she sees her. I like Nikki, always have, but I am tired of her blatant hypocrisy and just flat out nastiness. GIVE HER SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE TO DO!

I found the Kevin/Colleen scenes refreshing, as well as the scene when he was really torn up and crying over Jana (before he knew she was the killer). Greg is really and excellent actor. I think they (Kevin and Colleen) are going to end up together. I've been calling this since last year. Thin line between love and hate, folks, thin line. I know that's not a popular idea around these parts, but I want to see something exciting and unexpected. Not this bull we've had to suffer for so very long. My favorite soap is dying a slow, painful death. I'm continuing to tune in daily, because I don't want to abandon it. I'd feel like a traitor having watched since 1978. I keep hoping against hope that it's going to go back to knocking my socks off liek it once did. IMO, the only thing it has going for it right now is that it's not NEARLY as bad as B&B has become.

Didn't mean to ramble, just started griping and the post took on a life of it's own. Consider this my Y&R post for the month.

So much WORD. ITA with every damn thing you said.

So, can you come post more than once a month? Please?

I am not belittling anyone by this because I don't know who of you has children and who don't. But I can tell you one thing even as a dad there is a connection to every child that you never forget esp. if that child is from you own blood. And I can only imagine that the bond is even greater for a Mother who carried that child for 9 months and then suffered through labor to bring that child into the world.

My aunt gave a child up for adoption when she was young because she couldn't see herself raising him. She has 3 other kids but I know many times she has told me that there is still a special bond with that first child that she has never seen or even held. She loves it just as if she raised it herself, because it came out of her.

So I don't think Jill's affection for Cain or her ties to him are contrived at all. And I have not bought that she has forgotten Philip at all. Many times it has been written and expressed by Jill & Kay both how much they still love Philip. She knows Philip is dead and there is nothing she can do about that right, but as a mother she is trying to take care of the child that she can.

So no none of this is contrived.

And that is your opinion. I disagree.

I can understand a mother's connection to a child she gave birth to. I'm not a woman, nor do I have any children, so I cannot go by experience, only by thought. I'm sorry, but I feel a parent, not even just a mother, is going to have more of a connection to a child she raised than a total stranger. That is what Cain is to Jill. Yes, biologically, he is her son. But he's a complete stranger.

I'm not saying that Jill should never accept Cain as her son. But this is all happening too fast and with very little emotion. Jill showed little resistance after she found out about the baby switch. She instantly wanted to find her son. I would have rather Jill been in denial for a while and even spite Katherine for what she's done. No, we have a day of spite and then the next day the two are sipping tea together and laughing, attached at the hip again.

This storyline is one of the most contrived storylines I have ever seen on Y&R. Katherine suddenly, afer 30 years, suddenly has a breakthrough and starts dreaming about a ring. Then, she just coincidentally met a woman in a bar that knew how to steal babies. Cain coincidentally landed in Genoa City after talking to Amber, who coincidentally has been put in a storyline with Jill and Kay. Cain and Phillip coincidentally share the same birthdate. Jill and Cain coincedentally share scenes together where Jill talks about how wonderful of a man Cain is and Cain talks about only wanting to see his parents, just as Jill is telling Ji-Min about her son, Phillip.

It's BS and I'm embarrassed as a Y&R fan to say that I continue to watch this garbage. But, as for most of the world, the television is on out of habit and I am usually in the other room.

I am not belittling anyone by this because I don't know who of you has children and who don't. But I can tell you one thing even as a dad there is a connection to every child that you never forget esp. if that child is from you own blood. And I can only imagine that the bond is even greater for a Mother who carried that child for 9 months and then suffered through labor to bring that child into the world.

My aunt gave a child up for adoption when she was young because she couldn't see herself raising him. She has 3 other kids but I know many times she has told me that there is still a special bond with that first child that she has never seen or even held. She loves it just as if she raised it herself, because it came out of her.

So I don't think Jill's affection for Cain or her ties to him are contrived at all. And I have not bought that she has forgotten Philip at all. Many times it has been written and expressed by Jill & Kay both how much they still love Philip. She knows Philip is dead and there is nothing she can do about that right, but as a mother she is trying to take care of the child that she can.

So no none of this is contrived.

I don't see it as contrived either. The hope for a connection is strong enough to drive this.

I don't see it as contrived either. The hope for a connection is strong enough to drive this.

So lets just make Jana Nikki's real daughter and Victoria is the switch and talk about the drive to have a connection and it's all okay. Is that going to be a great storyline? Lets just forget that we watched Heather Tom grow up as Victoria in front of our faces. Lets just forget that character because Nikki has a connection to Jana that overpowers her connection to Vicky. Give me a break!

Would you not see this as contrived either?

Edited February 23, 200718 yr by DrewHamilton

oh I thought Kat had the kids switched as soon as Jill gave birth and before she named him.

As for the wedding, I thought the reason for it was to keep Cain from being departed. I didnt realize Amber knew the truth. If they are going to write her as some gold digger, I wish they'd make her more of a biyatch and not some sweet nice girls that they are portraying. I really wish she had learned her lesson after dealing with the Forresters but she's back to her old tricks

You would think that she would, but evidently she hasn't.

Right now Amber's sweet nice girl thing is a front. Genoa City has not fully seen the real Amber yet. Not that I want it too either. I didn't like her on B&B and I don't like her here.

If Bloom wanted a tie in with another show on CBS there are so many other "gold diggers" they could have chosen for this. Why Amber. Hell I would have taken Jessica Dunphy as Allison on here better than I could Amber.

As to the deportation thing, that is the reason that Amber is giving Cain for it.

What would have been even more interesting is if they could have had one of the Brooks girls from the premise of the series to suddenly come up with a daughter in that age group. Imagine the irony in Jill losing her "new" Philip to one of the Brooks girls offspring esp. after she married Stuart Brooks for his money and social position.

But the only one of the Brooks girls that had a child in that age range was Chris who married Snapper. And even though Snapper and Jill aren't related now, it would still seem weird for Snapper's daughter to get involved with Jill's son.

This Jana reveal is really great and I'm loving the fall out. Brad punching Kevin was very well done! I really have no complaints about this episode, I just wish the show could be consistantly this good and build from what they give us.

Oh yeah, I forgot I DO have complaints. Amber still sucks and is sucking up too much screentime. I will never get over the fact that Jill and Katherine's story is 100% Amber's story. They better go with JillMin.

And that is your opinion. I disagree.

I can understand a mother's connection to a child she gave birth to. I'm not a woman, nor do I have any children, so I cannot go by experience, only by thought. I'm sorry, but I feel a parent, not even just a mother, is going to have more of a connection to a child she raised than a total stranger. That is what Cain is to Jill. Yes, biologically, he is her son. But he's a complete stranger.

I'm not saying that Jill should never accept Cain as her son. But this is all happening too fast and with very little emotion. Jill showed little resistance after she found out about the baby switch. She instantly wanted to find her son. I would have rather Jill been in denial for a while and even spite Katherine for what she's done. No, we have a day of spite and then the next day the two are sipping tea together and laughing, attached at the hip again.

This storyline is one of the most contrived storylines I have ever seen on Y&R. Katherine suddenly, afer 30 years, suddenly has a breakthrough and starts dreaming about a ring. Then, she just coincidentally met a woman in a bar that knew how to steal babies. Cain coincidentally landed in Genoa City after talking to Amber, who coincidentally has been put in a storyline with Jill and Kay. Cain and Phillip coincidentally share the same birthdate. Jill and Cain coincedentally share scenes together where Jill talks about how wonderful of a man Cain is and Cain talks about only wanting to see his parents, just as Jill is telling Ji-Min about her son, Phillip.

It's BS and I'm embarrassed as a Y&R fan to say that I continue to watch this garbage. But, as for most of the world, the television is on out of habit and I am usually in the other room.

Sorry. I see some of it you are saying but very little.

I just ask you this.

How is it so hard to believe any of this but.......

.......yet it is easy to believe that Stefano can rise from the dead what a billion times now - exaggerating but it is there

.......or that a person who is only supposed to be 10 can suddenly be in his late 20's

.......or that a woman can be possessed by the devil

........or that a woman can be cloned and be reborn on a show

.......or even that a woman can suddenly remember that she gave birth to a child years and years ago but never has mentioned it before.

At least here Kay was an alcoholic for years, and psychiatric and psychological research and evidence shows that alcoholics or even non-alcoholics can bury things they have done in their subconscious for years and years and can suddenly be triggered by something. Especially after they come off the booze. And for many years now Kay was a alcoholic. Hearing Lauren's baby was the big thing that triggered her memories.

And at least here with Jill - the idea of a bond with a child she gave birth too is there.

Sorry but for all the things that soaps ask us to believe today this is by far the least offensive of any of them.

I'm not saying that the storyline doesn't make sense. The Hack was lucky enough to have Kay's alcoholism in the past. The storyline has little errors. I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense. It's contrived though. And for you to say it's not, that amazes me.