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AMC: Restoring History

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Erica thought she had a miscarriage back in the mid 70s while carrying Phil Brent's child and eventually she went a little bonkers and spent time in a mental institution. Meanwhile, Dr. Greg Madden happened to be the one who did in fact perform the abortion on Ms. Kane in 1973 and he only wished that she had actually kept the child so he could have a shot at getting together with her. What's interesting in this whole equation is how Madden kept tabs on Ms. Kane (after all, who wouldn't? She is a femme fetale!) and heard the news through another doctor friend about her miscarriage but this doctor in fact lied to Erica about the miscarriage since he was blackmailed by Madden who really wanted the child for himself so he can fulfill his fantasy of having ties to Erica Kane. While Erica spent time in the mental institution recovering from a nervous breakdown, she walked around with a little bun in her oven not knowing full well that she was still pregnant but let's also not forget she was in the wrong state of mind and in unhealthy condition....when the day came that Erica delivered her baby, she blacked out the entire experience by being given anesthesia and knocked unconscious just so she did not see the entire scheme of Madden's....to steal her baby and raise him by himself and his wife since she could not have any children. So as Madden followed Erica to the mental institution and oversaw the pregnancy (at this time, Erica fainted upon delivering and could not see the unevitable-Madden taking her new baby boy with Phil Brent)....Madden claimed that he saved Erica from aborting her child just to see how she would react to the news of him being a miracle worker when the only miracle was that Josh did not fall under his evil spell (in this case, the paternity between Jeff and Josh would have also been doctored by Madden to hide the overall secret)....Jeff is blown to bits over this new information and seeks comfort from Brooke and both embark on a story about seeing the abuses behind closed doors in mental institutions while Jeff decides to practice the art of psychiatry

Sound good everybody? See it wasn't that hard to rewrite the story so that it makes sense....plus I would also have Tara return to comfort Erica through this news as irony from their days as rivals

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I was a huge fan of this theory back when it was concieved when all were asking who's Josh's daddy was. I would have loved for him to be Phil's he would easily be a Martin and a Kane without the need of re-writing history. I personally love it. I think Susan in real life was 5 months pregnant during that time and they killed off the baby and Mona had her in a home because she was soo depressed because it didn't make it. But it would have been great if they some how brought him back. Josh would still be here and none of that messy abortion stuff would have been re-written.

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See, this wasn't hard. Not hard at all...IF ABC Actually CARED to undo this hideousness.

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Erica thought she had a miscarriage back in the mid 70s while carrying Phil Brent's child and eventually she went a little bonkers and spent time in a mental institution. Meanwhile, Dr. Greg Madden happened to be the one who did in fact perform the abortion on Ms. Kane in 1973 and he only wished that she had actually kept the child so he could have a shot at getting together with her. What's interesting in this whole equation is how Madden kept tabs on Ms. Kane (after all, who wouldn't? She is a femme fetale!) and heard the news through another doctor friend about her miscarriage but this doctor in fact lied to Erica about the miscarriage since he was blackmailed by Madden who really wanted the child for himself so he can fulfill his fantasy of having ties to Erica Kane. While Erica spent time in the mental institution recovering from a nervous breakdown, she walked around with a little bun in her oven not knowing full well that she was still pregnant but let's also not forget she was in the wrong state of mind and in unhealthy condition....when the day came that Erica delivered her baby, she blacked out the entire experience by being given anesthesia and knocked unconscious just so she did not see the entire scheme of Madden's....to steal her baby and raise him by himself and his wife since she could not have any children. So as Madden followed Erica to the mental institution and oversaw the pregnancy (at this time, Erica fainted upon delivering and could not see the unevitable-Madden taking her new baby boy with Phil Brent)....Madden claimed that he saved Erica from aborting her child just to see how she would react to the news of him being a miracle worker when the only miracle was that Josh did not fall under his evil spell (in this case, the paternity between Jeff and Josh would have also been doctored by Madden to hide the overall secret)....Jeff is blown to bits over this new information and seeks comfort from Brooke and both embark on a story about seeing the abuses behind closed doors in mental institutions while Jeff decides to practice the art of psychiatry

Sound good everybody? See it wasn't that hard to rewrite the story so that it makes sense....plus I would also have Tara return to comfort Erica through this news as irony from their days as rivals

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I say just make it turn out that Josh is not her son--because she DID have an abortion.

So much more could be done storywise if it turned out that she and Josh have bonded, only to discover that he's not her son.

They wasted enough time on this Un-abortion storyline and don't need an entire new long drawn out story just to explain it away.

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NAW.

I say just make it turn out that Josh is not her son--because she DID have an abortion.

So much more could be done storywise if it turned out that she and Josh have bonded, only to discover that he's not her son.

They wasted enough time on this Un-abortion storyline and don't need an entire new long drawn out story just to explain it away.

ITA. I say just make him Greg Madden's son with his wife and say that Greg was insane. They could bring back Greg's nurse (was her name Mabel?) to explain that Greg believed he had implanted Erica's embryo even though it was impossible.

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I don't think they could do that with out re-opening the wound that Spike isn't a Kane either. Spike, Kendell and Josh all share DNA. Removing Josh from the Kane bloodline would be removing them as well and I also think their was a direct blood test that revealed Erica to be the mother originally in the first place as well. I think at this point we should just keep Josh as Erica's because he has been proven by 3 different DNA tests to be related to the Kanes threw blood. Threw his nephew, his sister and his mother.

The one thing that hasn't been confirmed however is Jeff's DNA. It's easily fixable. Trying to say Josh isn't related to the Kanes is much harder to prove then Jeff not being related to Josh.

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Wasn't erica in the mental hospital and didn't she think she was pregnant with a child then???? Why didn't amc just make it so Dr. madden was her doctor and she really was pregnant and he stole her child then, but he had erica on some experimental drugs that made her forget, instead of having the unabortion storyline.

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Spike and Josh match, means nothing. LMFAO Okay see here's where I'm at: Emily Madden cheated on Greg with Jeff Martin. She was pregnant when he tried the fetus transplant (if Greg can transplant a fetus, we could buy him being so out of touch with reality that he didn't KNOW she was pregnant), and the fetus transplant didn't work, but Emily still gave birth to Josh. Explains why he's not Greg' son. Check. Explains the Martin DNA. Check, though we've never seen Martin DNA on screen. Hell, throw a twist in there make Emily Erica's sister (remember Greg's flashback, they were dead ringers for one another) via Eric Kane. Explains the match between Josh and Spike. Check. Leaves AMC with a a Kane Martin spawn, check.

See, there's a million different ways to make him not the fetus. All AMC has to do is listen to us for once. At this point, I would take him as J&E's son (a fact I told MMT last year while I fought for Josh and Erica) if it meant he weren't the fetus. :o Yes, I would sell my soap soul to save them from this fate. That's how much Josh not being the fetus means to me.

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But even as Cousins Josh and Kendell still wouldn't have that much DNA in common. Certaintly not enough DNA markers for Spike and him to be pointed out as brothers. There would be some similarites but not enough to link Josh and Spike as brothers. Kendell and Josh's dna markers are supposedly very close and even had some of the same as Erica's. He wouldn't have that much if he was her nephew. It just doesn't make sense.

Josh would need to have a link to Erica in order to link with Kendell as well as Spike. Unless Emily was raped by Richard Feilds but even then that doesn't cover the mother/son DNA likeness.

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^ doesn't matter. AMC is asking us to believe that Greg aborted, saved, implanted, an 8 week fetus, which Emily then carried to term. The most assinine thing I have ever heard. I mean, AMC isn't mentioning the fact that Erica and Emily and had different blood types, the difference in hormones in a woman when she's pregnant and when she's not, the changes a body goes through to get ready to carry the baby. They're just making this into a game. Greg took Josh out. Greg put Josh in. Greg win. Yay. My ass. If they can skip over all of that...

A little DNA discprence isn't anything the fans would have a hard time with.

I'm pretty sure most at this point would just say, "Oh, that's a great twist" and move on. Not many people realize how many cousins and what have you markers people share.

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at this point does it really even matter? The damage has been done and AMC will forever have the stain of what MMT did, regardless of what happens at this point. Id rather they just leave things as they are and move on instead of dwelling on this

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Didn't Tad get a DNA sample from Joe to run against Josh? I don't think he ever revealed the results on the show, but it's a pretty safe bet now that they came back a match, which wouldn't happen if he was Phil's son or Kendall's twin, another popular theory.

I have to say that the rewrite of Jeff and Erica's relationship is just as bad as the abortion rewrite. Now Erica loved Jeff and might have some unresolved issues with him? It was one thing when she was torn between Jack and Mike Roy. Even if you aren't a Jack and Erica fan who buys that Jeff, of all the men she has been involved with, would turn her head away from Jack at this point?

Jeff and Erica rank up there with Rylee and Bamie as couples that don't make sense due to history (Nothing against any of the actors). With Bamie, it was just not a good idea for Jamie to try to take his brother's wife (I know he didn't know who she was at first) when the last time they were together he took JR's girlfriend. And Ryan and Greenlee's relationship was completely rewritten from the moment Ryan showed up in town. At least Jeff and Erica have some chemistry.

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Didn't Tad get a DNA sample from Joe to run against Josh? I don't think he ever revealed the results on the show, but it's a pretty safe bet now that they came back a match, which wouldn't happen if he was Phil's son or Kendall's twin, another popular theory.

No because what Tad showed Joe, before he told Erica was a DNA test showing that Greg wasn't Josh's father, and that Erica was his mother. Tad and Joe surmised from his birthday, that he was the fetus. Tad told Erica at the masqurade ball that he was still waiting on Jeff's sample. We have never seen, or been told that Jeff is a 100% or even a match at all to Josh. Erica is a perfect match. Jeff, we're just assuming is the father. Like I said, there's never been any Martin DNA shown or talked about, so it's not hard to fix this.

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ITA. I say just make him Greg Madden's son with his wife and say that Greg was insane. They could bring back Greg's nurse (was her name Mabel?) to explain that Greg believed he had implanted Erica's embryo even though it was impossible.

That's what I'd rather see too Steve. I'd buy anything to get rid of Josh. I can't stand him no matter who his parents are :(

I have to say that the rewrite of Jeff and Erica's relationship is just as bad as the abortion rewrite. Now Erica loved Jeff and might have some unresolved issues with him? It was one thing when she was torn between Jack and Mike Roy. Even if you aren't a Jack and Erica fan who buys that Jeff, of all the men she has been involved with, would turn her head away from Jack at this point?

I am a Jack/Erica fan and I don't buy Jeff as a romantic figure in her life at all either :lol: It's a joke for AMC to try to even make us think that Erica would want this guy after making a total ass of him all those years ago when she didn't care enough about him to even tell him she had an abortion and never thought twice about him for the last 30 years. She was bored by him years ago and he is the same guy now and after all that's been written between Jackson and Erica the last 4 years, its ridiculous that they are even attempting this. <_<

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C'mon. This is McT's PV.

DNA Test Switch(es).

and/or

Greg is insane.

New backstory for Josh.

Bada Boom Bada Bing

UnAbortion ReAborted.

It wouldn't fix most or even a significant portion of the mess that is JH McFronsie's AMC. It would, however be a significant gesture to the fans, to the show and the genre,

It needs to be fixed.

PS-It's totally F*ed up to even consider having Jeff and Erica find re-establishing feelings they never had for each other over Dr. Shirtless Wonder, Coffinmaker.

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