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Me and my sister are about to go and watch this. This is beyond exciting! AAaah! I love scary movies.

Now now. He treats all his characters horrible.

Yes! Veronica is such a crazy bitch and probably a manifestation of Tyler's mental illness. I'd say it's fascinating, but again, all characters are paper-thin. So let's start a separate Tyler Perry show thread.

I love how you just started out a sentence defending him, and then just turned around to massively shade him. Master class.

I do love how all characters on The Haves and The Have Nots are essentially acting unhinged because it's the easiest way of writing since you don't have to justify their actions. I am enjoying the show however, but it's also horrible and badly written.

What the hell DAYS. They did a decent job at redeeming the character and now he's leaving? Boo, hiss! I've decided that the new headwriters do suck ass.

Ooof for Beyond the Gates in the demographics, but I guess the Nancy Guthrie story just dominated. Still a decent performance in total viewers considering it usually hovers around 1.5m.

I'm actually shook that Tyler Perry is supposedly living in the glass closet. Like have people watched his shows?! He and Little Richard is all I'm saying.

Okay, can someone please offer some therapy for poor Tyler Perry that it's okay to be gay? He really needs it. Like on a Little Richard-level.

SO. After watching Sisters I've started seriously watching "The Haves and the Have Nots" and... besides @Khan destroying it by pointing out the obvious flaw in Tyler Perry's writing - aka the endless back-and-forth to extend scenes and it's honestly bad writing but alas. Can I just say that I rarely spontaneously laugh. Like ever - I'm quite a man in that sense. But man. The "come out scene", which I'm sure was going to play emotional just made me laugh. Like man. Veronica, what a bitch! But at the same time I'm rolling on the floor while that horrible actor is trying to squeeze out a tear. "No mommy, accept me mommy!". Oh [!@#$%^&*] off.

The guy in the Deadline article is hopeful that this is a new format at least. So there are people pushing for it, but we'll see. People need to watch this and at least be a moderate/mild success.

Oh interesting! I wonder if there were any screeners sent out for the pilot as unaired pilots from that era forward tend to pop up on YouTube etc.

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U-haul lesbians are definitively a thing. They love to nest.

I actually had to check it out - and it was indeed a Very Special Episode in the sense it was JT Fite's final episode and did give it a significant boost.

Act?!

Let's be real here, Peter Porte is hot and gay. Kill off Leo and let him tone down the camp a bit. Either way, kill off Leo.

He was still alive when he left town: https://daysofourlives.fandom.com/wiki/Quinn_Hudson

I think Fox's embarrassing launch on Tuesdays is noteworthy here. People talk about how Heather Locklear saved Melrose from cancellation, but when you look at that season for Fox, all other new dramas bombed. I think it was always going to go to season 2, though maybe it wouldn't have gotten such a preferential treatment and maybe only gotten 13 episodes. But I don't think it was going to be outright cancelled with the Tuesday mess and The Heights failing to catch any sort of pulse outside a hit single.

I mean, Melrose's certainly was since Kristian Alfonso was styled like she was playing Fleiss in a Lifetime movie. But I'd suspect the Sisters storyline was too - I'd assume these would go in a "Ripped from the headlines" storylines thread. But yeah, this was definitively a case of them not really thinking about who Reed was as a character. I guess the AIDS home storyline was kind of nice. But I also think they were trying to set up Cat and Reed as the odd couple cousins and potential "replacement" characters in case one of the other sisters wanted to quit (they can only have so many long-lost half siblings after all). I guess with Cat in law enforcement, being an accidental madam was as far into crime they could push Reed before she became entirely unredeemable.

I wasn't talking about the actors, but the audience.

Yeah, I was kind of baffled with both Reed and Charley not only being recast, but getting completely new personalities. I actually didn't mind Charley initially because I liked that she was more reserved, which seemed true to her character. In season 6 she just kind of becomes a full-on replacement for Frankie and they even take away any tension between her and Bea. Reed... well, I think they wanted a wild child on the show, but it was a bizarre reboot of the character. Her just leaving her son entirely was just odd and barely acknowledging him outside a "I send a check" was a choice. The "Accidental" Madame story gave me shades of Sydney on Melrose Place, except Sydney was largely likeable due to Laura Leighton.

Well, yes? Partly due to Santa Barbara having much younger demographics than Capitol, which means that a lot of fans kept it alive in the early internet age but also just by airing internationally (thus large parts of the run being preserved). I wouldn't exactly say either are shows that the regular Joe remembers, but Santa Barbara has the edge of the two.

I'll admit that I was one of those who thought Stefano was already confirmed dead especially with that dumb Stevano storyline, but I guess not lol. So it kind of confused me that this was even a thing.