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Her title is: Director of Fighting with Daphne Rose & Expository Recapping with Brooke

CBS has more popular primetime shows compared to ABC & NBC. Plus 2 slots reserved for whatever Taylor Sheridan is newly streaming & toddlers/stoners watching Spongebob.

Good point. In addition to being a great character in her own right, she had chemistry with almost everyone on the show. A Jake/Paulina/Iris triangle would have been a lot of fun. If 1994 AW aired in 2025, I doubt Iris would have even considered to be on the chomping block. All the shows now are noticeably less youth obsessed compared to the 90s.

Interesting, I didn't know the origins of their "friendship." Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Linda Dano or Felicia, but maybe the show would have been better off if they killed off Felicia instead of Quinn and built around her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't OLTL & ATWT pretty white at that time? Of all the stuff they threw at walls during that time to see what stuck, appealing to Black viewers seemed like a no-brainer. Especially since NBC had success at that time in Primetime with The Cosby Show & 227. Even in the mornings with Bryant Gumbel on Today. Of course, didn't have to be an either/or. I didn't mean to convey that Donna's isolation was the reason. Rachel, Felicia & Donna were all rich, 50ish brunettes whose characters started bleeding together by that point. Granted, mostly due to the bad writing of the writers she hired. Of the 3, getting rid of Donna would have been by far the easiest as VW had the most longevity/caused the biggest uproar; and Dano was the face of the show to the industry (and her favorite of the bunch). Thanks for the info of the alcoholism story. It was right before I started watching so I've only seen the clips of the intervention. Don't remember Cass & Donna at all. Was it last year of the show before he got with Lila? I was mostly checked out at that point.

Hilarious that Steffy just barges into Brooke's house to see Hope without knocking. Ridge bought it, so I guess she feels she's entitled to.

This would be a weird comment to make about the face of the show if it wasn't damn accurate. In the 90s she was mostly confined to her own orbit with her daughters and Cass, aside from a few stories. Her relationship with Rachel was pretty weird too. A case of tell not show. They seemed to be there for each other at big moments (weddings, funerals, etc.) and proclaim how close they were, but rarely interacted outside of those. I only remember one storyline they had together - the Lucas lookalike - but that was more about their significant others' animosity if I'm remembering correctly. In hindsight, it was pretty strange how little Rachel, Felicia & Donna - all around the same age give or take - had to do with each other for the last decade. The actresses were all top-10 in longevity for the entire show and made it to the finish line, but never meaningfully mixed it up at the end. Even Donna dating Rachel's son didn't lead to many interactions between those 2. I can understand JFP's reasoning for getting rid of Donna, even if I didn't agree with it (she was my favorite of the 3).

Soccer ratings are rising in the US. CBS/Paramount+ needs to provide a bunch of sports offerings to keep young men tuned in until its most important asset, the NFL, returns in September.

CBS literally renewed B&B a month ago for 3 years and Y&R for 4 the year before. Doesn't look like they're scheming to get rid of their soaps. Obviously Y&R & B&B were dinged a bit for being preempted in almost 25% of the US for 2 days. As for BTG, isn't it strategically smart to have strong episodes (I'll take your word for it) bracketing preemptions? If Monday was ho-hum, wouldn't turning back in on Thursday be less top of mind for the less fanatic viewers?

Thanks for posting this, fascinating read. It's clear how ambivalent Wyndham is about Justine. IMO, it reads like she agrees that the end of the storyline was bad, but reading between the lines I think she thought she was doing good work for the meat of it....which was not the case. As bad as the writing for most of that story was, it was truly made worse by her embarrassing performance. After the story concluded she kept falling back into Justine ticks, when she wasn't phoning he scenes in. Not to play Freud, but was it to tr*ll her critics?

I liked that Steffy told Liam that he should tell Hope about his tumor. As acrimonious as Steffy & Hope are to each other, I'm glad they don't use their kids as pawns.

Damn, Darlene is great as a menacing Sally. Can't wait for her to cross paths with Stephanie. LMAO, even the editor of Stud Magazine can't resist Caroline. Oh, the 80s.

It's overlooked that Bold can still see spikes with younger viewers because they have long-running young characters. Steffy, Hope & Liam (granted, he's been sidelined for 18 months or so) have been power players on the show for 15-ish years, and they are all 40 or younger. Looking at Y&R and GH's end of year episode counts, you get a bunch of 50+ characters in the top 5 with rando under 40s fluctuating year to year.

Another week of no flow between the CBS soaps in the demos.

I'm a moderate voter. I voted for Bonnie Crombie's Ontario Liberal party a few months ago. Pollievre is nothing like Trump. For American readers, every Canadian conservative politician since 2016 has been compared to Trump. Before that, Bush.

Agree to disagree here. Outside of his scenes with Stephanie, I find Clarke to be nails on a chalkboard. Hoping this changes when he interacts with Sally. I liked Katie & Rocco a lot at the start of the show. She was green but was a sweet, realistic character with some smarts, if not naive. Rocco was a ton of fun and very unique for this show. But once he went to FC, he became very low-energy and the (scab?) writers dropped the ball on what made him interesting: a good guy with big dreams willing to work for it. TBF, there are bits of that, like observing Eric & Ridge work but it just feels like scraps. Whereas is the first year I'd argue he was 1 of the 4 anchors of the show (Brooke, Stephanie & Caroline being the others). 100% agree on the Stephen story. Aside from some nice moments from Carrie Mitchum, it made the Logan girls seem borderline psychotic in how they treated their mother. IMO, the Beth character seemed to falter when they recast the part. I don't blame the actress at all though, she was quite good. Rather, the show made here too aggressively into a blue collar caricature. I guess to differentiate her from Stephanie, but from that point it was obvious she was never a true contender for Eric. Even look at her opening credit shots - the clunky car smile, holding groceries, frumpier clothes, etc.

Nice. The FF button has helped me get closer to Sally as Kalbir mentioned. The only thing I'm not looking forward to is the Throne recast

Ah, thanks for the explanation. That accounts for the stop and start of a bunch of plots. I'll choose to believe that the scabs were responsible for Bill not recognizing Donna - one of the 10 or so guests at his daughter's wedding.

Well into 1988 thoughts: -The actress playing Donna is the the most improved actor by far, even if the character has to suffer through dumb storylines -Conversely Katie & Rocco regress tremendously. I think the Katie actor suffers from lack of practice as her screen time is like 1/5 of the year before. Rocco seems to have laryngitis for months on end - though maybe the show told him to tone it down...but it doesn't work. -Clark/Kristin/Margo is the absolute worst. It would be the worst plot on the current show too. Playing a victim is not Lauren Koslow's strong suit. Terri Ann Linn still sucks. -Glad to see Caroline get complexity back after being so 1 note post-finding out about the letter. Her relationship with Stephanie is a highlight. Their scenes are always antagonistic, but there's a respect between them. A very different dynamic than Stephanie steamrolling over people she hates. -Speaking of...KKL and Susan Flannery quickly developed a great rapport. So fun to see Stephanie slowly boiling over her hatred of her before the big bang happens. -Finally, does young(er) Eric remind anyone else of

Don't forget Finn divulging Liam's private medical information to his ex-wife!

I literally said that in the post you quoted. I don't want to be combative, I was just giving my perspective why it might be harder to get back the sampler dropoffs. Anyways, I'm glad the show is doing well, even if I don't care for it. Hopefully it encourages the big media companies to take more creative risks.

It's for sure meeting, more likely exceeding its guarantees at the moment. No way CBS guaranteed more than 80% of Y&R's demos. I sampled for 2 weeks or so (saw the wedding etc.) and followed the comments closely to see what people were saying for maybe a month. Pretty much just interested in its ratings now.

It still can, the show is only 2 months old! The show can improve (maybe it has already, like I said, I'm not watching) and get a buzz. To be perfectly honest though, it might be tougher sell to have word of mouth trust if the social media commentary matched this board. Gaslighting is probably too strong a word... but reading the gushing comments from the first 2 weeks certainly didn't match what I was seeing on screen at all. I don't want to cast aspersions on any of the posters here - it's possible I'm in the minority opinion and they really did love the first 2 weeks that much - but I remember the Passions & Sunset Beach premiere opinions being MUCH more honest.

100% I picked Bold up again regularly during COVID WFH. I had watched GH & Days previously but even when we weren't supposed to leave our homes I didn't want to sit through an hour of a daytime soap. God knows B&B isn't perfect, but it has the strongest identity of any soap since Bill Bell retired from Y&R. We're fundamentally coming at this from complete opposite viewpoints. I don't see total viewers as an important metric at all in broadcast. This isn't the 90s: the 55+ don't pass shows onto younger generations because they watch their own stuff on their phones/tablets if the main tv is being used. CBS probably doesn't expect the show to run for 10 years either. I 100% think having an almost all Black cast helps the show WAY more than it hurts. Does anyone honestly think the ratings would be higher if the Black parts were played by White actors and vice versa? CBS smartly created something for an under-served audience. I haven't come across the diversity haters complaining about the show....but that's hilarious considering BTG is less diverse than Passions & Sunset Beach, the last 2 hour-long soaps to debut. We're overthinking why the show shed viewers from its big premiere. It's the same reason as every show. People are curious, they sample, the ones who like it tune in again, the ones who don't stop watching. I'm in the later camp, but I give credit where it's due. Looking at the numbers, the show is still a success at this point.

I don't want to come across as rude, but that is an INSANE idea. You don't handicap the marketing team by limiting their use of their key assets - the Black actors. You don't bait & switch your audience. For CBS to "pull that off" they'd have to embargo the cast list, etc. Does anyone think it would have had a higher premier and audience if 60% of the pre-show ads featured Nurse Elevator Baby? Not to pick on the actress, but should she have done the big interviews instead of Tamara Tunie? And that strategy would have limited the enthusiasm of the fans who've carried the show to respectable numbers for 2 months. Honestly, reading the comments here the ratings expectations for a two month soap are crazy unrealistic. There is no need to hit the panic button. Read Toup's report: in week 7 a new show doing 77-81% of the #1 show in both major demos. Yes, there are only 4 soaps on broadcast now... but has that ever happened before? Come even close??

Brad can do something really funny and resurrect their credits on Monday.