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Right. Breathlessly running back and forth between here and Twitter and saying 'omfg you guys this is serious' all the time based on some tweets you saw kind of makes you lose perspective. I don't particularly love Maurice Johnson being out but a recast on a new soap opera is not a major crisis. It is strange. I wonder if it was about the workload because he's been very active on social media. Some actors just can't take it.

It's certainly not who I would recast and I think it's a pity but let's not pretend people acting shocked on Twitter is going to be some huge scandal. It is a recast on a new soap opera, it is not that serious lol.

Original Ted was just tweeting about the show a couple days ago! He's so fine too. This is far from the first recast I expected lol, there are several others who need to go.

Not Ted!

A very troubled guy, but very talented and magnetic in certain roles.

This is the exact last thing you want to talk about people 'getting out of their system'. That is never going to happen for anyone who knows.

She definitely says it was a different kind of acting in an certain older style she loved, and that she tried to have fun with it when they would try to do melodramatic flashbacks or something. She also says that it was great training and she learned from the vets like CZ. The usual stuff. Apparently she even ran into Alan Locher in P-Town a couple years back and the show came up. Small world.

They would kind of reunite in a certain way in my concept - the whole story would be about Luke realizing and accepting that he did love his life with Laura and their family, that he is still in love with her - but Luke would die a hero at the end of the day, giving his blessing to her and the new man already on the scene. Like I've said before, that's all I'll say in public because that OTT idea runs long lol.

And I can still get through a whole week of it without feeling like I'm on a death march like watching GH.

Oh lord. The bell tolls for GH!

What a privilege to see all this now. The idea that Hal's niece(?) in 1991 is so out of the modern world that she is mesmerized by washing machines and phones is a bit much - especially played by Parker Posey. (Upon doing some digging given her recent role on The White Lotus, it seems she's always been largely complimentary of her time on ATWT in interviews - she name-checks Colleen Zenk as being especially good.)

I do too, but I ain't putting it on here lol. The story I had in mind would pretty much be designed to end in a sweeps blowout as a big adventure story to send the show off to Hulu for good (with much PR fanfare) with a streamlined cast. It would blow the last of the network budget to do it lol. But yes, it would honor LNL, end Luke and cue up Laura's new man (not Kevin, who would end up back with Lucy). If it were up to me Luke would hang around, but that's just not going to happen so I would settle for giving Geary what I think he's often been dying for re: Luke: A big, permanent death.

BTG is far from perfect and has definite issues in casting and scripts IMO, but it feels fresh for a lot of obvious reasons. It has a ways to go on a number of levels but it's consistently more pacey, entertaining and intriguing than trying to barrel through a week of GH.

If it was up to me, sure. But I think the only way he'd ever return for that at this point (assuming he's well) is if you also kill him off in the same story, and even that's a gamble IMO. But it's what I'd do, in a year or less.

And tellingly, this (timestamped below) is how that ended - still a favorite scene of mine, and wonderful that someone on staff realized this had to happen after Laura left the room. I think that's true for the remainder of Genie's second run, but I also think the BTS situation got worse and worse. And I don't think it was any one's fault, nor do I suspect Genie was exempt from blame. I think a lot of constraints may have been put on story for her, but I also think the show didn't handle it or treat her well. But it was so long ago now. I do think Luke loved Tracy in his way, at that time, as much as he could love anyone who wasn't Laura or his children. I enjoyed Luke and Tracy together early on, I understood the logic of pairing him with the anti-Laura. But the repetitive stories where Luke fúcks Tracy over or disrespects her or smears Laura in comparison ground me down. Luke could never respect Tracy as much as he claimed to, or as much as she convinced herself he did. And any time she realized that and threw him out she'd then take him back again and the cycle would repeat. Tracy was something that made Luke feel he didn't have to change, but change sometimes is essential.

Nah, it's more relevant than us dragging Donna. Which I intend to continue to do. But I do think the fact that they're going to get worse is why this kind of storytelling only becomes more important.

I do think that and Genie dragging her feet on coming back in '97 was a huge part of it. People today forget or weren't there to remember just how long that went on and it was openly discussed in the press.

I don't agree with that. I would feel the same about any show or network that dropped the story out of cowardice. At any time in the last 30 years.

I usually don't. I've had her on Ignore for years. Usually I only see her when someone quotes her mess and rarely acknowledge her, but certain things just set you off. She's gotten away with a lot more than just this, and we all know it. They're not even telling a story now, lol.

I was saying the other day it would be a hoot if she came on being someone's slightly cringe old fashioned liberal grandmother still dropping questionable terms and claiming she dated all the civil rights idols before Anita.

Odd timing: Just as we were discussing the Daniel Colson saga, Mark Dobies has passed away.

Crossposted: Mark Dobies (OLTL, GL) has passed away.

Mark Dobies (OLTL, GL) has passed away.

Donna, you are wearing fanbase goggles. The rest of us talking (accurately) in this thread about how they have marginalized Elizabeth's children as characters has nothing to do with Carly or Jason or warring Jason fanbases. And no, people being annoyed with more overexposed story for Carly - even people who have enjoyed Carly in the past, as I am pretty sure caroline has and I certainly have - does not make them inherently Carly haters or fans of Liason/Jiz/whatever anyone want to call the couple. Stop thinking you're still on Twitter. Nobody here cares how those lunatics talk to each other on there. We don't want a lesson from you. We're not going to be educated about it, and it still would not make it acceptable to talk to DRW that way as though he was someone from one of your rival fanbases. I know this is difficult for you to accept when you keep regularly challenging the admin's own posts critiquing your behavior, but you have zero position of authority here. (And neither do I, because if I did you'd be banned years ago but that doesn't mean we aren't going to stick up for each other.) Step back and chill out.

I don't think either will ever happen again. I think the show increasingly seems to resent having to bring back Laura's kids and do Lucky/Liz, neither Alexa nor JJ are being used well enough AFAIC. But I also can't see FV going back to Jason/Liz unless he was somehow desperate to find some last ditch attempt to justify the continued Steve Burton expenditure. And I think he'd sooner bring on anyone else for Steve.