DramatistDreamer

Sorry, I meant judge me for watching it so much later than it debuted on air. I got that free trial offer for Hulu for a month (and HBO Max, but only for a week) and I am pretty much bingeing all this shows while I have access. I think it might also be on Netflix which I have access to, but oh well. It's a well done series and, actually I read the original source material years ago (the biography, written by Sam Wasson, which, ironically, I briefly made a post about on this message board), which I found very compelling. I had read Paddy Chayefsky's biography, which talks about his close friendship with Bob Fosse, so that intrigued me and led me to read the Wasson biography of Fosse. I guess, I should have been reading Neil Simon's biography next to complete the set. Another very interesting factoid, Valerie Pettiford (AW, OLTL) was a choreography consultant for this series. In a nod to her presence, one of the dancers in the series bore an obvious resemblance to her. The series was well casted and written, imo. I didn't mean to suggest that the series was low-caliber, or anything, only that I have waited so long to watch it, long past the buzz. Also, Michelle Williams was so good and probably could have played Lucille Ball, instead of Nicole Kidman. IJS.

The parents were openly defiant of the school officials (refusing to take their son home when asked) and the school let them get away with it.

Okay don't judge but I just recently got the chance to watch Fosse/Verdon and in episode 6 I noticed Michael Genet (Lamar Griffin, ATWT) as an emergency doctor. Did anyone else watch this series?

You know how reaction videos have sort of become a "thing"? I never really saw the potential for them with episodes of soap operas but I would be into it if former soap actors were doing them. It would be fascinating to see Danny Pintauro react to this episode, maybe hear whether he remembers anything about this episode or his time on ATWT in general. Same with Colleen Broomall. Does she have any memories or recollection of her time on the show?

Until this weekend, neither had I, lol.

You'd need a William J. Bell for the 21st century to pull this off and Y&R has yet to find such a person. For all the tinkering that Bell did with characters and format, he didn't seek to reinvent the wheel, in terms of storytelling. Mal, Chuck, Maria and others, it was as if they either wanted to reinvent the wheel, totally change the sets, but the basic structure of storytelling just seemed to get worse and worse over time.

So, from what I'm reading, it seems as the turmoil took place behind the scenes, while all was pretty calm on the ratings front?

From what I have seen, this seems to be the 'Cuomo Way'. I never really got to see much of his show, other than clips floated about on social media, but what I have seen of Andrew (including that documentary of how he 'helped' run his father Mario's Democratic primary campaign for NYC mayor against Ed Koch. Entitled is a mild way of looking at that and it appears that Chris is cut from the same cloth as his older brother, just packaged in a better looking wrapper.

You're welcome. I mentioned unthread that I wished these vlog podcasts would get with the idea of time stamps. It's time. This one, in particular has a running time of 2 hours but the interview itself doesn't get started until about the 35 minutes mark, or so. Still, at this this host knows how to conduct and maintain a worthwhile discussion. Can he interview some other former soap stars? Many former East Coast soap stars live in CT, NY and NJ.

He talks about Beacon Hill (speaking of Hillary B. Smith) at the 52 minutes mark, so perhaps that's when they come back to soaps and ATWT? You're welcome. She's always a delight. She was the Margo I remember the most. Her chemistry with GM was off the charts. @Vee At around minute 38, they talk about changes in daytime television and his last time on ATWT and how markedly different it was.

Unfortunately I don't. I think it was nearly 30 minutes before they even discussed ATWT and then they circled back to his time on the show about 1 hour 35 minutes, so it's likely to be sometime around then. Nope, I am wrong. I don't remember where it is right now. If I can find it, I'll let you know.

Before I forget, I don't know whether this has been posted here previously but I am posting it, although I have yet to hear the full discussion, just for the cute picture of HBS as a kid at the very beginning.

I don't know where to ask this but, does Mishael Morgan do voice-over work? I could've sworn I heard her voice in some ad the other day.

That information (including his personal investigation of one of the women who had made allegations against his brother) had already surfaced before he was suspended. I was expecting new information. Also, I am not quite sure that he will drop this and move on. He is claiming to understand CNN's decision now but it wouldn't surprise me if he consults a lawyer and tries to fight his termination somehow, either that or get some type of compensation for the duration of his contract, that is, if he isn't already being compensated. The terms of his dismissal haven't really been discussed and they probably won't be.

Thanks for posting this @kalbir. I knew some of, but not all of this. Bell took a calculated risk with how built the Williams and the Abbott families, but he used two characters, though marginal, who had been imbedded in the fabric of the show's canvas. It wasn't like the Rosales family where they had one minor character for a few months, then brought on his family, then basically switched him out for his brother as a major character. That was so weird. It seemed as if Bell gave the viewers a bit of a breather with Paul and Jack becoming more prominent. If it really is true that Y&R lost no market share after basically dismantling the Brooks and Foster families, then I guess that speaks to how the changes were received overall by the viewers, they may have been disappointed but they obviously kept watching. Also, the storytelling was so much more methodical back then. Characters had to prove highly popular before landing magazine covers and photospreads in soap publications. It's not like when the Rosales were posing for photospreads when nobody even knew who half the characters were. It seemed as if that family was introduced with lightning speed.

I'm not willing to go that far... yet. China is drastic in the way they deal with dissidents but they're not Russia...yet. China has been known to 'disappear' people who they feel are interfering with the way they run their government business but not usually such high profile individuals (and usually not famous women, who they consider their flowers). Also, unlike Russia, China only seems to take the most extreme measures when some serious criminal charge is made (like the man who was charged with tainting the milk supply, who was executed). Ai Wei Wei is a dissident artists who makes dissident art that is openly critical of Chinese politics and government and he is treated as a hostile force, but even by his own admission he is deliberately provocative, as he believes agit-art is the best way that he can try to get the attention of people who would force change. China is not really in the business of disappearing people like Russia does. At least, not permanently. Jack Ma is one example of someone who went missing for weeks, if not months, then suddenly turned up on his yacht out in the middle of somewhere. You've heard of "Too Big to Fail"? Well, Ma was too big/famous to disappear. With her level of notoriety, I think it would be next to impossible to just do away with her, she's not poor anonymous "Tank Man" in Tiananmen Square. She is Han Chinese woman whose notoriety has only been growing, she's not the unfortunate Uyghurs who are often locked away for months in "re-education" camps, but I suspect that the government will try to 're-program' her mind to forget her allegations, likely under pressure if not all out threats made to her and her family. If she emerges publicly, if not living in anonymity, there will likely be every effort to have her appear timid and cowed in public, much the way she appears now, with broad forced smiles, in front of a menagerie of plush toys.

@JaneAusten the way and in the form most current media exist today is the reason why I have to read multiple sources every week, if I want even half the story. Some days I can't even stomach much other than to read the headline the the lede. I can remember years ago when I would consume the news like it was my job because to be able to write, I felt like being well read was a must. To some extent, I still feel this way but I am far more circumspect about every single news source- I pretty much treat them all as if tabloid tendencies lurk beneath the surface.

At the risk of starting a rumor which may not even be true, I saw a tweet posted by a Korean American man that Peng Shuai is "on trial" and now I can't dismiss the thought out of my head. Could that at all be true? How would this man know this? This account is listed as being located in the United States, but is it really, or could VPN be a factor? Maybe I am making too much out of a stray comment posted on social media by someone who may have no insight at all but I can't help it, I find the comment deeply disturbing. I wouldn't dare discuss it anywhere else but here.

At least one of these issues is not as important as folks think it is, that's all I will say on that post. I wish people (including media) had the ability to focus on more than one issue at a time. The latest jobs report clearly illustrates that hiring has slowed down. I suspect it's been slowing for some time, meanwhile the labor force has "surged" as media reports put it, probably because Republicans have yanked many social safety nets from under their constituents, based on the lie that eviction protection programs and extended unemployment was somehow a disincentive to work. People have been complaining for months that employers are not hiring at the rate that ads are being put out and people are continually applying for jobs, yet not hearing back, despite companies complaining that they don't get enough job inquiries (which is clearly not the case) for open positions, therefore many jobs are going unfilled. This is more alarming than being highlighted in media. Much of the "leverage" (what little there was to begin with) that workers and prospective employees are purported to have is obviously being stripped away and it appears to be a concerted effort by the corporations and those of their ilk. Why so little focus on this? Is this issue not "sexy" enough? Also, who actually gives a fig about whether the idiot former occupant of the White House had COVID or not (he did) or whether idiots in high places are actual friends rather than mutuals who frequent the same events. There are actual events going in that actually affect real life and these events don't seem to get much traction. How sad.

You're welcome. I found it at random. I had to laugh though when he mentioned the Facts Of Life and said that he thinks that George Clooney, who had left the show, was playing "Jo's boyfriend or something". He obviously didn't watch that show before he was on it, lol. I realize I have seen some of the work that he's produced. Even though it's for a YA audience, I really enjoyed the special he produced about Frederick Douglass years ago. Too bad there weren't more episodes in that series made about other historical figures, I thought it was a great idea- it probably lacked the funding to go further.

This is one of the better hosted podcasts interviewing someone from the world of daytime drama, but time stamps would be a worthwhile addition as these podcasts tend to run long. Bryce is interesting in general, but he really got my attention when he begins to describe his final appearance on ATWT and how he hadn't realized how badly things had deteriorated on the show until he was there. https://youtu.be/RulOS2v1tRk Welp, it can't be embedded. Sorry, just got to follow the link. Some of these podcast hosts are so bad at promotion of their program, no wonder their view counts are so low!

You can be working class, practical and still stylish. I grew up in a working class family and everyone dressed pretty stylishly, even in the 80s as a child, I noticed this.

There used to be a thread with a listing of popular music used on soaps. I can't find it but if I could, I'd add Al Jarreau's "After All", which appears to be the theme song they're going with for Caroline and Thorne. They've used twice now--arguably, it's the same scene since the second time is in a flashback.

She wears it with ease. Overall the sartorial choices for the character are as timeless as one can get, especially for the 1980s. It's interesting but, although I am focusing on B&B, quite a number of grande dames on the soaps are styled in a timeless way back then, not following trends like many of the younger characters. Because of this, their wardrobes stand up the best against the ravages of time. Yes, the jewelry helps too. As The World Turns often had Harry Winston and Cartier jewelry. Depending on the character's wealth, whether they came from "old money" or "nouveau riche", the opulence would span understated or extravagant. In this particular instance, because of the fashion backdrop of the actual show, I have been really attuned to the clothing choices and the fact that the show debuted in the late 80s, which could be a harsher period for fashion, at least where the masses are concerned. I think Stephanie weathered this time period relatively well. Others on this show, not so much.