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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:52 PM
They can't. Unlike Y&R which is owned, in majority, by Sony, DAYS is owned, in majority, by Corday Productions and Ken is THE final word. Unlike MAB who truly hated Y&R I think Ken loves DAYS, he's just a terribly inept executive.
Hostile takeover? Is that even possible? hahah
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:58 PM
I don't think Sony could even pull a New World Television and lock Corday out of the studio, the way NW did Bridget Dobson at SANTA BARBARA.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:02 PM
They can't. Unlike Y&R which is owned, in majority, by Sony, DAYS is owned, in majority, by Corday Productions and Ken is THE final word. Unlike MAB who truly hated Y&R I think Ken loves DAYS, he's just a terribly inept executive.
If Ken truly loved DAYS, then he should step down as show runner. If we look at all the regime changes this show has witnessed for the last several years, the quality hasn't really changed all that much... the only constant being Mr. Corday himself. He should do what Bill Ford Jr did back in 2006 (which was step down as CEO of Ford Motors and handing control to someone who knew what they were doing).
Until that happens, the show will never seem to improve (and we cant really use the Sony/NBC interference since Corday owns the majority of the show).
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:06 PM
If Ken truly loved DAYS, then he should step down as show runner.
Ironically, though, Ken Corday isn't technically the show runner. That distinction belongs (as of right now) to Lisa deCazotte. But even she has to answer to Corday, who is not the most ideal Senior EP, from some accounts.
Dayplayer
Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:16 PM
'90's DAYS is more dated, because it is less character-driven (IMO) and more about flashy gimmicks and stunts. '80's DAYS had tons of action, but it also had more heart.
Absolutely '80s DAYS had tons of action and a lot of heart! It was romantic and hearfelt. It was adventurous and exciting. There was danger, mischief, manipulation, scheming, and so much more. DAYS had the families, the Hortons, Bradys, Johnsons, Deveraux, Kiriakises and so many more. The interaction amongst characters were terrific. Everyone was interavting with one another. The sets were great with places like Blondie's, Shenanigan's Brady Fish Market, Salem Inn, The Spectator, Salem Polive Department, Horton House and so many more.
But characters and storylines are very much isolated.
For example: When Jack died, why weren't there more scenes of Adrienne talking to Jennifer and both griefing over their loss. Adrienne should be interacting with Abby more and really having meaningful talks. Same with Kayla and Steve's marriage now splitsville, shouldn't Adrienne be sharing scenes with Kayla to talk about their broken marriage. These characters were so much closer in the past and interacted more. They talked and helped with eeach other's problems. But it felt real, genuine and as if they were reallyy related. There is no community feel. Why isn't Abe interacting with John and Marlena especially with Kristen back in town, considering Abe is supposed to be John's good friend. I haven't seen any real interaction between Marlena and Maggie either considering they were best friends in the past. The show just lacks so many interactions that are good connections to each other.
I want DAYS to get back to its roots! And really get back to great storytelling for couples like they used to. Families were involved with the couples and the couples had great adventures filled with danger, romance and love. There is no build up to anything. Where is the longing for each other, the star-crossed lover stares and stolen looks or kisses, the sneaking to meet up and be with each to avoid the villain/vixen trying to keep them apart or avoiding hurting someone else's feeling? Where is the bickering and sparring for each other's feelings as they try to get the other to confess their undeniable real feelings for one another or the other? I just feel Tomsell don't know how to do that, they couldn't do it on their first run and ONCE AGAIN are still missing the mark, BIG TIME! DAYS is VERY BORING! It's sad because DAYS is my favorite soap and I want it to achieve and kick butt with good consistent rising ratings!
A Chinchilla Of Doubt
Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:21 PM
I understand Corday owns it. But he has to be convinced - or manipulated - to take a solely administrative/business role from now on. That's the only way to save DAYS. Period. Take him out.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:05 AM
Scheming is another thing. Everyone on Days right now is boring. Kristen is the ONLY villainess and Days was very well known for its villains. Everyone's been neutered and mixed into society. Fine, so bring in new villains. Why was Ian dispatched? Why was Andrew gotten rid of? Why couldn't T become really anti-Sonny and become a Jan Spears? There's just no urgency in the show anymore, which I think when posters mention making it more like GH -- which I guess is improved over its prior mess, but still has a ton of faults -- GH is at least fun for me to watch when I do tune in. The excitement I've gotten in this week's Kristen scenes should be in EVERY scene.
ITA! I miss all the fun schemers and villains DAYS used to have in the past. I watched a random episode from 1996 the other day and it was full of different schemers: Stefano, Peter, Kristen, Vivian, Franco, Sami. But now, the long-term villains like Stefano, Victor, Kate and Nicole have all been neutered. And Tomlin/Whitesell's own villains (Owen, Dean, Meredith) have been very forgettable. Ian was the first villain since Trent that I thought had alot of potential but since MarDar created him Tomlin/Whitesell quickly wrote him off.
Edited by Sindacco, 03 January 2013 - 02:06 AM.
Recurring
Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:50 AM
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:25 AM
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:19 AM
I get Ken has "final say" but do any of us really think he even knows whats going on.
He doesn't. That's the problem. It's just like with MAB when she was at Y&R.
Veteran
Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:41 PM
It's sad how Days of Our Lives has fallen down the same dark path that Guiding Light did during its final years... piss-poor budget that is SO evident, lack of a community feel because everything is so isolated, and storylines that don't pack a punch and are really just a bunch of nothing. (I must be a viewer jinx, since those 2 are/were my favorite). I don't speak much about Frank Valentini/Ron Carlivati cuz my opinion of them isn't passionate, but I'd love to see what they could do for DAYS, in both terms of storytelling and also visually and aesthetically in terms of handling the budget. (Similarly, I wonder what Paul Rauch could've done for DAYS).
I feel like DAYS had so much potential that has been squandered in the past 10 years. Up until the Reilly fiasco of 2003-2006, anything was possible in terms of what direction they took the show. Now, it's like the show is doomed no matter what they try or who they bring back, because it's written and produced so horribly.
I will watch til its final episode, but honestly overall, I feel DAYS lost its life and spirit much like GL did during its final years. I don't know if anything could resuscitate this show. Maybe there's some powers-that-be out there that could prove me wrong, but who knows if we'll ever get the chance to see that happen.
Edited by Gray Bunny, 03 January 2013 - 06:42 PM.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:49 PM
Gray Bunny, I agree. DAYS has definitely become GL part 2.0', with all that you've stated. So much history that isn't be explored, and an idiot (Corday) running a show, his parent's show, into the ground.
Recurring
Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:06 PM
Sony and Corday should move the show to CBS and leave NBC.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:16 PM
For what? So they can get cancelled just as fast?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:37 PM
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:16 PM
It's sad how Days of Our Lives has fallen down the same dark path that Guiding Light did during its final years... piss-poor budget that is SO evident, lack of a community feel because everything is so isolated, and storylines that don't pack a punch and are really just a bunch of nothing. (I must be a viewer jinx, since those 2 are/were my favorite). I don't speak much about Frank Valentini/Ron Carlivati cuz my opinion of them isn't passionate, but I'd love to see what they could do for DAYS, in both terms of storytelling and also visually and aesthetically in terms of handling the budget. (Similarly, I wonder what Paul Rauch could've done for DAYS).
I feel like DAYS had so much potential that has been squandered in the past 10 years. Up until the Reilly fiasco of 2003-2006, anything was possible in terms of what direction they took the show. Now, it's like the show is doomed no matter what they try or who they bring back, because it's written and produced so horribly.
I will watch til its final episode, but honestly overall, I feel DAYS lost its life and spirit much like GL did during its final years. I don't know if anything could resuscitate this show. Maybe there's some powers-that-be out there that could prove me wrong, but who knows if we'll ever get the chance to see that happen.
THIS! So agree.
There are too many cooks in the kitchen, first of all, so it's doomed to fail on that alone.
I completely agree that the show is reminding me of GL in it's last days. So sad. It's weird too I agree with you. If I had to pick two shows that were 'my shows' it actually would be Days and GL in second. I never really posted much here about GL, the last few years it was on I just couldn't. And I was getting to that point with Days. It really feels like history repeating itself. I honestly don't feel very good about DAYS future. At all. I'm always optimistic but I really don't feel good for them.
Recurring
Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:48 PM
In my opinion, Days of our Lives never recovered from Jim Reilly leaving in 1997 to create Passions and try to fix Sunset Beach. Sally Sussman held it together, but Tom Langan totally shot it all to hell by writing 'Reilly stories' without the Reilly panache. Then, every writer post Tom Langan was left trying to recreate a moment that had long passed. So they brought Jim Reilly back. Henry Slesar and Bill Bell could write two half hour shows in the 70s, but Jim Reilly couldn't write two hour long programs in the 00s, not because he wasn't talented, but because it was just too much work. Even though I will go to my grave saying that the Salem Serial Killer was pure genius up until they all came back alive.
Days of our Lives has had three distinct periods, The Bell Era, The Super-couple Era, and The Reilly Era. Everything before, after and in between those periods was just meh.
What stands out about those three eras was that Days had a clearly defined identity and purpose. A clear vision. Bill Bell's Days was messy and psychological and engaging. Even though the super-couple era was complete ripoff of GH, Days shamelessly took the format and ran with it and never apologized for doing so and in many ways bested GH at its own game. The Reilly Era was classic soap opera for a new generation. Pure soap opera bones filled with, Harlequin romance, over the top insanity, Gothic characters, and the supernatural Even people who hated Jim Reilly had to see what he was going to do next.
Days is currently stuck and has been for 16 years. The same way that it was stuck in that period between Bill Bell and the super-couples. The same way it was stuck in that period between the super-couples and Jim Reilly.
The way to fix Days is to simply do what Bell in the 60s, those poached GH writers in the 80s, and Jim Reilly in the 90s did. Blow it up and reimagine. Take the show into a whole new world and do something different, while at the same time keeping it a soap opera. I'm not saying throw away characters and history, but I am saying get rid of dead weight, tighten the show, and refocus. You're gonna piss off fanbases and like good plastic surgery, the show is gonna be bloody and swollen and bruised for a while, but the end result will be worth it. The show can be saved, if someone really wants to save it. and it is not going to happen under Gary Tomlin and Chris Whitesell, (the Nina Laemmle and Gene Palumbo of 2013
R.I.P. James E. Reilly
Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:18 AM
Perfectly said. The show has no singular vision anymore. That's why there's constant battles between Corday and NBC. Right now, NBC has all the power because all they have to do is threathen the cancel the show and Corday backs off.In my opinion, Days of our Lives never recovered from Jim Reilly leaving in 1997 to create Passions and try to fix Sunset Beach. Sally Sussman held it together, but Tom Langan totally shot it all to hell by writing 'Reilly stories' without the Reilly panache. Then, every writer post Tom Langan was left trying to recreate a moment that had long passed. So they brought Jim Reilly back. Henry Slesar and Bill Bell could write two half hour shows in the 70s, but Jim Reilly couldn't write two hour long programs in the 00s, not because he wasn't talented, but because it was just too much work. Even though I will go to my grave saying that the Salem Serial Killer was pure genius up until they all came back alive.
Days of our Lives has had three distinct periods, The Bell Era, The Super-couple Era, and The Reilly Era. Everything before, after and in between those periods was just meh.
What stands out about those three eras was that Days had a clearly defined identity and purpose. A clear vision. Bill Bell's Days was messy and psychological and engaging. Even though the super-couple era was complete ripoff of GH, Days shamelessly took the format and ran with it and never apologized for doing so and in many ways bested GH at its own game. The Reilly Era was classic soap opera for a new generation. Pure soap opera bones filled with, Harlequin romance, over the top insanity, Gothic characters, and the supernatural Even people who hated Jim Reilly had to see what he was going to do next.
Days is currently stuck and has been for 16 years. The same way that it was stuck in that period between Bill Bell and the super-couples. The same way it was stuck in that period between the super-couples and Jim Reilly.
The way to fix Days is to simply do what Bell in the 60s, those poached GH writers in the 80s, and Jim Reilly in the 90s did. Blow it up and reimagine. Take the show into a whole new world and do something different, while at the same time keeping it a soap opera. I'm not saying throw away characters and history, but I am saying get rid of dead weight, tighten the show, and refocus. You're gonna piss off fanbases and like good plastic surgery, the show is gonna be bloody and swollen and bruised for a while, but the end result will be worth it.
LOL Poor Gary and Chris to be called that!The show can be saved, if someone really wants to save it. and it is not going to happen under Gary Tomlin and Chris Whitesell, (the Nina Laemmle and Gene Palumbo of 2013
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:25 AM
I'd say DAYS is in a better place than GL. The budget cuts have been severe but they can still afford to have big events (like the "Daysaster"). They aren't being run by a company and network that wants out of the soap business.
The biggest difference between the shows is that many of the people on GL still tried. Many of the actors on DAYS seem to have given up.
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