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Y&R: Josh Griffith steps down as head writer

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6 minutes ago, Vee said:

I would be very open to that. I understood the logic behind trying Mal Young, even though that of course imploded.

What actually happened with Mal Young? I know he tried the one episode/one day format which didn't take off. And he was saddled with the Rosales family who took over too quickly. Also, deciding to give Dina Alzheimer's (or did Sally start that?)

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    Y&R needs a massive overhaul - this is a show that actually needs good new characters and a proper focus on youth, and to stop the over reliance on Victor, Nikki, and Jack and their horrible stori

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    And SONY & the Bells need to stop taking so much $$ from it. Obviously, the show's budget is the same as (or more than) other daytime shows, but it APPEARS far cheaper, which can only mean that e

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7 hours ago, Taoboi said:

OMG, OMG, OMG!!!! @Antoyne I'm coming home!!!

OMFG WE CAN FINALLY WATCH AGAIN!!!!

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3 minutes ago, Manny said:

Also the cast is too heavy with people who have been on the show for far too long. Victor, Nikki, Jack, Nick, Sharon, Phyllis, Victoria, Lauren, Michael, even Lily, Adam and Billy are all so overplayed. Most of them have been on the show pretty much non-stop for at least 20 years, but it goes to 47 years for Nikki. I am not say we should not have these characters. We don't need this many of them and they don't need to run story year after year. Maybe they can stay but be supporting, almost recurring. Otherwise it's hard to keep things fresh. This show needs YOUNG people. It is literally in their name.

Agree. If say Reed, Allie and Faith returned Nick/Sharon/Victoria could become more supporting charcters.

I'd dearly love to write Phyllis out and send Chelsea and Adam out of town.

Get Jabot back as a focus and have more characters WORKING there so the sets could be used.

It's inevitable Victor and Nikki will reunite so let them be matriach/patriach to the family and not lead charcters.

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2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Daran Little, who briefly went to the US for AMC, might be a good departure (I also don't care for his EastEnders scripts, so it wouldn't be a big loss to that show).

Daran Little worked as a story consultant with Mal Young on Y&R during Mal Young's final months. They were replaced by . . . Josh Griffith.

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I do think there are ways to navigate a shoestring budget, but the bigger issue is laziness. Soaps in the 50’s through 70’s had limited budgets but managed to be compelling on a day to day basis.

Y&R will eventually be getting new studio space in a few years when its lease with Televisions City expires. Hopefully, that helps with the set situation and they can use more. Maybe then Sony will actually pour some budget back into production as well? Hell, there has already been some minor improvements (though limited) since Sally McDonald took over production. I do think she has more of an eye in this regard than Griffith, and before that, Anthony Morina ever did.

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My out of the box new HW pick:

LAURALEE BELL

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1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

What actually happened with Mal Young? I know he tried the one episode/one day format which didn't take off. And he was saddled with the Rosales family who took over too quickly. Also, deciding to give Dina Alzheimer's (or did Sally start that?)

Others know the Mal Young saga far better than me. I just remember he allegedly bigfooted Sussman out of the way and was all in on Gina's Phyllis and Billy together, maybe even putting together some sort of special presentation to try to sell them to the network lol.

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21 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Agree. If say Reed, Allie and Faith returned Nick/Sharon/Victoria could become more supporting charcters.

I'd dearly love to write Phyllis out and send Chelsea and Adam out of town.

Get Jabot back as a focus and have more characters WORKING there so the sets could be used.

It's inevitable Victor and Nikki will reunite so let them be matriach/patriach to the family and not lead charcters.

Agreed, they should bring some young Newmans and Abbotts, but I would also bring in new characters and families.

And yes, they should just merge Newman and Abbott and just have one company, forget Chancellor and all the other conglomerates that these characters operate from Genoa City :P

9 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I do think there are ways to navigate a shoestring budget, but the bigger issue is laziness. Soaps in the 50’s through 70’s had limited budgets but managed to be compelling on a day to day basis.

Y&R will eventually be getting new studio space in a few years when its lease with Televisions City expires. Hopefully, that helps with the set situation and they can use more. Maybe then Sony will actually pour some budget back into production as well? Hell, there has already been some minor improvements (though limited) since Sally McDonald took over production. I do think she has more of an eye in this regard than Griffith, and before that, Anthony Morina ever did.

Oh most definitely, soaps used to have small budgets and they made it work better than they do today. My guess is that in the past, a bigger percentage of the budget went into actual production, while I think today a lot of is spent for salaries and rent and different licences. Which is why I think Y&R is suffering, having so many veteran actors still on the forefront.

Out of curiosity, I went to calculate average character duration for all the 4 long-running soaps today. I took into consideration the year of character debut (for characters born on screen, I took a year when they were SORASed into teens). Some of them might have gone away and come back, so maybe the character wasnt on screen all those years, but I didn't go into that much detail.

So... Y&R has by far the cast of characters who are there for the longest time. Their average for the entire cast in 2026 (Jan-May) is 25 years. And if you just look at top 10 characters based on appearances, it is even worse: 31 years!

SHOW

Average

Top 10 Average

Y&R

25 years

31 years

B&B

18 years

18 years

DAYS

19 years

19 years

GH

17 years

21 years

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1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

What actually happened with Mal Young? I know he tried the one episode/one day format which didn't take off. And he was saddled with the Rosales family who took over too quickly. Also, deciding to give Dina (or did Sally start that?)


Sally Sussman started writing Dina having Alzheimer's symptoms playing out over time in storylines, but Dina's diagnosis wasn't announced before Sally left. Sally confirmed in her exit interview that it was indeed Alzheimer's. The formal diagnosis was written by Mal Young when he started.

Sally felt this type of story was important for soaps to tell.
Mal focused on this because his mother had Alzheimer's.


from Sally's exit interview:
"I was very wary of false drama; big events with no payoffs, no real stakes in the end where nothing changed. For example, no one died or was forever altered. I wanted the show (and the genre) to be more topical; to do issues that were really affecting people’s lives: example Dina Abbott’s struggle with Alzheimer's disease. This was a major reason I pursued the documentary genre because I felt daytime wasn’t living up to its potential. I’d felt the genre had been dumbed down and as a 30-year viewer, I lost interest. It wasn’t the genre I’d fallen in love with as a kid in the 70’s. But the sci-fi stuff, stolen babies, doppelgangers, people returning from the dead, etc. felt very passe to me, so I really hoped to make the show more cutting edge like daytime used to be in 80’s and 90’s, where the genre broke new ground. What I didn’t realize though is that the audience currently watching had really gotten used to this type of storytelling"

Mal Young's interview with the Alzheimer's Association makes it sound like it was all his idea
https://www.alz.org/blog/2017/how-alzheimer-s-ended-up-on-the-young-and-the-restless

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Sally was often just a bunch of hot air. Will never defend her lack of talent that’s been on display for every HW-ing stint she’s ever had.

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Love when things like this contradict stuff people have been saying for years at this point. This soap desperately needs a new beginning. Cheers to the fans.

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Josh Griffith has been now stepping away from the Head Writer. The Young and the Restless will be announced for new head writer very soon.

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Josh's writing. The characters never grow or change.

They'll stay friends with those who have wronged them, reunite with partners who cheated/lied to them over and over.

And fall in love with the same three people as everybody else.

It's just boring to watch.

He had the chance with Billy Flynn and Roger Howarth to introduce new characters but chose to rehash the past for no good reason.

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