1 minute ago, John said:

Maybe a forgive but never forget type of thing @carolineg

Perhaps?  I am going off what happened on screen and Karen was okay with it.  She really seemed to put her past behind her.  Sonny was awful to her, but she rebuilt her life and wasn't dwelling on it.  She and Sonny were never going to be bff or anything.  Jagger cheating on her was probably a bigger betrayal than anything Sonny did.  Just saying..

Well, today I had a thought but it seems none of you would care about it. That's fine. 

When they cast Harrington as Cates, many of you objected. Why not make him just anyone. Well, that question has now been answered. All this time Cates has been nursing an age old vendetta against Sonny for whatever the hell his reasons are, justifiable OR NOT. 

3 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Perhaps?  I am going off what happened on screen and Karen was okay with it.  She really seemed to put her past behind her.  Sonny was awful to her, but she rebuilt her life and wasn't dwelling on it.  She and Sonny were never going to be bff or anything.  Jagger cheating on her was probably a bigger betrayal than anything Sonny did.  Just saying..

I guess thats possible. I dont think Karen would ever be cool with Sonny because of their past . At the same time, I dont see Karen letting what Happened 21 years ago run her life. if she was alive and brought onto GH, maybe she make John Cates see this as well. We will never know. 

4 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Well, today I had a thought but it seems none of you would care about it. That's fine. 

When they cast Harrington as Cates, many of you objected. Why not make him just anyone. Well, that question has now been answered. All this time Cates has been nursing an age old vendetta against Sonny for whatever the hell his reasons are, justifiable OR NOT. 

YES

And if PM was allowed to write what was planned, the story could have been good. We will never know. 

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1 hour ago, John said:

I guess thats possible. I dont think Karen would ever be cool with Sonny because of their past . At the same time, I dont see Karen letting what Happened 21 years ago run her life. if she was alive and brought onto GH, maybe she make John Cates see this as well. We will never know. 

It's not just possible.  It's what actually happened lol.  I don't if Karen was "cool" with Sonny, but she forgave him, was onboard with the Sonny/Brenda wedding, and moved on with her life.  

Sonny being a bad guy doesn't mean Jagger is right.  Karen is the human victim that gets to judge that and give her feelings about it.  Jagger can have his own thoughts but his actions belie any solid points he may have. Wagger waxing poetically on about Sonny being the worst is hollow because he has no leg to stand on IMO.    Like if they are going to go full in on Sonny Jagger should at least bring up Sonny's treatment of Brenda which is more relevant than something that happened in 1993.

Incidentally, check The Gates thread, y'all. Guza ain't back.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Incidentally, check The Gates thread, y'all. Guza ain't back.

And on Twitter Michele Val Jean replied to a comment about Guza and Georgie that they were on strike and Guza’s team didn’t kill Georgie. So he didn’t want to off Alan or Georgie? Interesting.

You know, I really wonder what the original plan for Pikeman was, if there was an original plan. 

15 minutes ago, Vee said:

Incidentally, check The Gates thread, y'all. Guza ain't back.

That “GH: Chuck Pratt Jr IN as Head Writer and producer” thread is gonna be a mess.

4 minutes ago, detroitpiston said:

That “GH: Chuck Pratt Jr IN as Head Writer and producer” thread is gonna be a mess.

My nightmare.

50 minutes ago, carolineg said:

It's not just possible.  It's what actually happened lol.  I don't if Karen was "cool" with Sonny, but she forgave him, was onboard with the Sonny/Brenda wedding, and moved on with her life.  

Again, yes this is my recollection too. Do I think it was disgusting to gloss over how awful sonny was? Absolutely. But what was written and on screen is what it is, not what I wish it to be.

I'll say this much for Chuck Pratt, Jr: if he were to rejoin GH as EP and/or HW, you KNOW the cast is gonna get slashed, because I just can't see him wanting to write for 10 characters, let alone 100.

1 hour ago, titan1978 said:

Again, yes this is my recollection too. Do I think it was disgusting to gloss over how awful sonny was? Absolutely. But what was written and on screen is what it is, not what I wish it to be.

Lol!   It's not like Sonny was right or a good, moral human, but Karen decided she was okay with it.   So at this point we have to take the way Karen took it as the narrative.  Jagger is making up his own narrative whether out of guilt or just being annoying.  It's just not what happened.

4 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'll say this much for Chuck Pratt, Jr: if he were to rejoin GH as EP and/or HW, you KNOW the cast is gonna get slashed, because I just can't see him wanting to write for 10 characters, let alone 100.

But...he'd probably find a way for Brenda to be written for so..Winning? 😂

For some reason, Jagger's story is giving me the same vibes that J.T.'s return story on Y&R gave me years ago, and fellow Y&R fans know how that turned out.  (Read: brain tumor.)

49 minutes ago, Khan said:

For some reason, Jagger's story is giving me the same vibes that J.T.'s return story on Y&R gave me years ago, and fellow Y&R fans know how that turned out.  (Read: brain tumor.)

Jagger will probably die soon enough. Can’t have openly hostile to Sonny type people for too long.

2 hours ago, detroitpiston said:

That “GH: Chuck Pratt Jr IN as Head Writer and producer” thread is gonna be a mess.

Don't.

13 minutes ago, Vee said:

Don't.

At this point, I'd take him as head writer, because at least some shït would happen on-canvas, and there would be some movement of any kind, aside from "slow".