5 hours ago, KMan101 said:

Phelps and Guza/Pratt really tore the heart out of GH. It was like watching a nightmare for over a decade. Sure a lot of it was flashy, even at times dramatic, entertaining and produced well, but the show stopped plotting long-term (like all the soaps, really; Y&R is at that point and you can see them struggling). If they cared about the show at all so many characters wouldn't have been offed in a sweeps/ratings stunt. I mean, even Sussman and Alden recognized the massive error in Y&R killing John Abbott when they did and wished they could have resurrected him (though like I say below, I do think there's a 'time limit' so to speak)

 

Georgie, Emily and Alan's deaths remain massive mistakes. I wish they could have fixed them; I think the time has passed, maybe (well; it has on Alan I believe; but I would have accepted Tony Jones instead)

 

They COULD get away with Georgie and Emily. Emily would work better if they brought back Helena and had it revealed Rebecca was a brainwashed Emily. Boom there you go. Done. I'm guessing Ron never got the time because it's something he would have done LOL. With AJ back from the dead they should have just said to hell with it and had all the Q's alive with him.

 

I'd have to think about Georgie. But I don't want to distract with too much fan fiction LOL

 

I also wouldn't have thrown Logan under the crazy bus and killed him off (Josh Duhon was the hot new thing and then Brandon Barash was the hot new thing). What a waste. I'll even toss out Karen's death on PC. I threw it out before but Megan Ward could have made an interesting Karen. Shame.

 

Oh, and Willow should have been Lucy's daughter Christina. Lured into a cult by her mother Julie who now goes by Harmony. It writes itself. But nope.

 

Since I lied and AM doing fan fiction, LOL ... I'll dig deeper and say they should have moved Eve to GH and had her be Alan's daughter, not Skye (and Skye would have been on AMC or OLTL). I don't know why but I've always thought that.

 

Anywho ... sorry all LOL

Georgie's death could be something that Faison or even Ryan set up since we now know he was alive at the time . Diego still strangled her but she later was revived and kidnapped. Maybe has amnesia

5 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Yeah. Bringing back Emily would be pretty easy considering the Nikolas connection and with Helena and all.
But NL was so loathed by fans by the end of her stint that I don't think anyone really misses Emily. And based on what happened at Days, I think there must be more to her story.

Georgie is more of a sore point but there are also way fewer ways to bring her back without really testing our ability to suspend disbelief.
For the record, I didn't like Kiki in either of her versions but killing her off was also stupid for the long term, despite the material it gave Maura W.
Don't kill characters in their 10s/20s with a lot of family on the canvas. Just don't

Ok did NL do something at Days to cause her to lose the role of Taylor???

2 minutes ago, John said:

Ok did NL do something at Days to cause her to lose the role of Taylor???

She was fired and immediately recast less than three months after she was hired.
So yeah. Something happened. We just don't know what.

3 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

She was fired and immediately recast less than three months after she was hired.
So yeah. Something happened. We just don't know what.

Maybe its because NL was boring as Taylor, even more than the first Taylor in  the 90s

2 minutes ago, John said:

Maybe its because NL was boring as Taylor, even more than the first Taylor in  the 90s

Nah. Tamara Braun was boring as Taylor too and she is a much better actress. The character was badly written and the whole storyline poorly thought out but you don't hire someone and fire them within three months without a good reason. TB was not a bigger catch for them than NL was at the time (for better or for worse, NL is an Emmy winner). 
So let's not be naive. Things happen behind-the-scenes like at any workplace. Not every firing is for "creative" reasons. Three months tenure is absolutely undoubtedly a sure sign this is one of these cases.

We've all seen how this business works. I never saw any sign of there being any more to it other than the dumb instant E.J./Taylor story didn't work and DAYS was flailing, like it often did at that time.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

We've all seen how this business works.

That's exactly why I say what I am saying. People don't just get fired and recast three months in because a story doesn't work. 
I know how this business works and the idea that the only reason people are ever fired in soaps is because of creative reasons is just fans forgetting soaps are a workplace with the same kind of human resources issues as everywhere else.

 

Edited February 28, 20214 yr by FrenchBug82

12 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

That's exactly why I say what I am saying. People don't just get fired and recast three months in because a story doesn't work. 
I know how this business works and the idea that the only reason people are ever fired in soaps is because of creative reasons is just fans forgetting soaps are a workplace with the same kind of human resources issues as everywhere else.

People are fired for dumber reasons than that in soaps all the time. They fire an actor quickly if they think another actor can fix it, even when the problem is the narrative. It's a cheap band-aid. It happens constantly with bad stories and pairings in soaps. It doesn't have to be some high-minded "creative" reason.

If there was some deep skullduggery surrounding the Taylor recast on DOOL we would have known about it then and now; lots of people had sources, especially at that show. It was a bad pairing in a bad story on a bad show, and no one running DOOL was very bright at the time. They panicked over pushing a bad quickie love story, tried to fix it, then shitcanned it altogether a few months after that while also firing the HW responsible. It's not the first or last time that sequence of events has happened in daytime, and it doesn't require a secret scandal.

I am not sure why we need to belabor something that I can't prove and that you can't disprove.

I stick to my knowledge that the idea that actors/resses only get fired for "creative reasons" and that "we would have heard about it otherwise" is wrong, and my belief that there was a BTS issue for why NL didn't last on Days.
You don't believe it. Fine.

Moving back on to General Hospital matters now.

3 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Yeah. Bringing back Emily would be pretty easy considering the Nikolas connection and with Helena and all.
But NL was so loathed by fans by the end of her stint that I don't think anyone really misses Emily. And based on what happened at Days, I think there must be more to her story.

Georgie is more of a sore point but there are also way fewer ways to bring her back without really testing our ability to suspend disbelief.
For the record, I didn't like Kiki in either of her versions but killing her off was also stupid for the long term, despite the material it gave Maura W.
Don't kill characters in their 10s/20s with a lot of family on the canvas. Just don't

 

I agree about killing off the younger characters. 

 

Agreed on Natalia Livingston. LOL. I guess I long for the idea of a better Emily other than her but I do agree she's missed less. Just like how DAYS killed of Will with Guy Wilson in the role. It's easier to swallow when the recast isn't really accepted but it's still a mistake.

3 hours ago, John said:

Georgie's death could be something that Faison or even Ryan set up since we now know he was alive at the time . Diego still strangled her but she later was revived and kidnapped. Maybe has amnesia

Ok did NL do something at Days to cause her to lose the role of Taylor???

 

I forgot about Ryan LOL only because they shifted his focus to Ava from Felicia but yeah you could have. He did kidnap her as a baby (right?). I think the time has passed for it to make sense with him being behind it (should they ever so choose, but I doubt it's anywhere near a thought to them LOL) but I'd still go for it. LOL. I accept whatever DAYS throws at me to fix a mistake so ... lol, but I would like it to make sense and fit.

5 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I agree about killing off the younger characters. 

 

Agreed on Natalia Livingston. LOL. I guess I long for the idea of a better Emily other than her but I do agree she's missed less. Just like how DAYS killed of Will with Guy Wilson in the role. It's easier to swallow when the recast isn't really accepted but it's still a mistake.

 

I forgot about Ryan LOL only because they shifted his focus to Ava from Felicia but yeah you could have. He did kidnap her as a baby (right?). I think the time has passed for it to make sense with him being behind it (should they ever so choose, but I doubt it's anywhere near a thought to them LOL) but I'd still go for it. LOL. I accept whatever DAYS throws at me to fix a mistake so ... lol, but I would like it to make sense and fit.

If They wanted Georgie Back I wonder if GH could get Lindze Letherman back Full time. I guess they could recast but I think that may not sit well. Maybe not at the beginning. Like have LL return for  4 months and then recast Georgie if LL doesnt want to act full time once the story has gotten past how Georgie's death was faked. 

5 minutes ago, John said:

If They wanted Georgie Back I wonder if GH could get Lindze Letherman back Full time. I guess they could recast but I think that may not sit well. Maybe not at the beginning. Like have LL return for  4 months and then recast Georgie if LL doesnt want to act full time once the story has gotten past how Georgie's death was faked. 

 

She's made some guest appearances, but that was more under Ron (I know Ron can be a shitshow writer but he knows what we know: those characters should have been on the show and not killed, just like at DAYS, though then he turns around and offs people like it's nothing so ... see, shitshow writer). I have no idea what she is up to in her life now. Does she act? She was such a natural and it pisses me off royally they didn't care and dumped her. Sigh. But, when I think back, a lot of talented actresses have been driven off soaps for BS reasons. Sigh again.

 

Phelps almost seemed to get off on firing/talking down to capable and likeable actresses (as she shoved actors she was hot for down our throat as well as bland women, hence how Natalia Livingston lasted so long when DAYS say how bad she really was and canned her - an Emmy means squat these days, sorry LOL). There's a history ...

Edited February 28, 20214 yr by KMan101

14 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

She's made some guest appearances, but that was more under Ron (I know Ron can be a shitshow writer but he knows what we know: those characters should have been on the show and not killed, just like at DAYS, though then he turns around and offs people like it's nothing so ... see, shitshow writer). I have no idea what she is up to in her life now. Does she act?

She has deleted her FB and her twitter hasn't been updated since shortly after her 2018 appearance.

She has probably moved on.

Edited February 28, 20214 yr by FrenchBug82

11 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

She has deleted her FB and her twitter hasn't been updated since shortly after her 2018 appearance.

She has probably moved on.

I found a fairly recent article about her.  She lives in Aspen with her husband and runs a bar.  She quit acting, but perhaps she might come back.  It really seems like she has a career though in the culinary industry.

14 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I found a fairly recent article about her.  She lives in Aspen with her husband and runs a bar.  She quit acting, but perhaps she might come back.  It really seems like she has a career though in the culinary industry.

 

Aww, that's good to hear. Really a shame she quit acting (though she came back for guest spots so like you said perhaps she'd be up for it but she's probably moved on)

Edited February 28, 20214 yr by KMan101

6 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

Aww, that's good to hear. Really a shame she quit acting (though she came back for guest spots so like you said perhaps she'd be up for it but she's probably moved on)

 

It was a brief article in SID, but it really did seem like she was happy and moved on with her life completely.  It's a shame because she was such a likable actress.  Very relatable.  She had a warmth that KS/Maxie never could have.  i miss Georgie way more than Emily.  And I even liked NL as Emily more than most.  I think the biggest problem with Emily is that her and Nik were so forced.  I don't think NL is that bad.  She's nothing special, but she's pretty and likable enough.