How much time do we give Sally Sussman before we ask for her firing?

[Roman]

Now you don;t mean those people who will complain no matter what is on screen do YOU? 

[Soaplovers]

Reed is acting like an actual teen..feeling alienated yet is a nixe person deep down.  A child of divorxe feeling neglected by both of his parents paying more attention ro their younger children then to him.  I hope it will be mentioned how Victoria, child of divorce herself, is repeating the 'mistakes' of her parents.

[DeeeDee]

 

+1.

 

I want HT to return (ideally) but that's never going to happen. So I'd settle for Y&R recasting the character with a competent actress who can make the writing work instead of a bunch of unnecessary plot contrivances to drive story.

[Sapounopera]

 

 

 

..... Oh, ok. You see I actually like soaps where people like their family members and have some friends and can act civil even towards people they are not really crazy for, like Marland's ATWT and GL, Nixon's AMC and Bell's Y&R. This way relationships like Jill and Kay's have a reason to stand out because of their rich history. That does make a soap opera, what it doesn't make is Love & Hip Hop ATL (which I watch when I want to see people who can't be nice to each other for no real reason)

[Aback]

I'm happy to hear that the new writing team is not nearly as damaging as the previews ones from the last decade. However, I feel no need to tune back in... I feel like I'm not missing anything.

[edgeofnik]

After today's 'all women are weak' episode, I'm calling Sally out. Everything in Friday (US) could've been rewritten from female POV and the women could've taken charge to solve the issues. Instead these women are written like women from 1970s/80s soaps, which was still bad. I don't get it. 

[Soaplovers]

 

I dont know...i think women are written worse then in the 1970s/1980s.  During the supercouple era...didnt the couples work as a team?

 

I recall a lot of characters especially in the P and G soaps that were fairly strijg willed.  I think its digressed instead of progressed.

[edgeofnik]

 

You are correct about the 80s - a lot of supercouples did act more as a team facing challenges together. (Obvious it was still unbalanced with the SCs were separated.) That may explain part of soaps' rebirth during that decade (that and VCR). The 70s definitely women as victims. Watching today was painful. 

[DRW50]

Soap women in the '70s and even the '60s were stronger than 90% on soaps now. The writing for women began to regress in the mid-90s and it's just shocking now. I think it's one of the reasons so many women quit watching. 

[titan1978]

It's not just soaps.  The writing for women on television is just in the last couple of years pulling out of a near 15 year relationship obsession.  The only story was finding a man and keeping him happy.

 

The super couple era was all about romance, but both parts of the couple had a point of view and the women were vital in those stories.  They also had friendships with each other instead of rivalries.  And you had characters like Anna and Felicia on GH and Hope on Days that were part of the action and not victims.  Anna famously rescued herself from what could have been a damsel in distress story.  Plus people like Nina, Jill, Lauren and Katherine on Y&R, while not a super couple formula show were strong and had a point of view.  Now it seems everyone is like Nikki was back then- obsessed only with a man.  No life outside that relationship, and often fighting with other women for his attention.

 

Think about this though- unlike other areas of entertainment, soaps used to be filled with women bts.  Exec producers, producers, writers, directors, and network execs guiding them.  Not a single show currently has a female executive producer, and of the four, two have women head writing teams that have never produced one great female character or storyline that are still lauded today, though both have been writing soaps for decades.  And the last female EP in power, JFP, had a history of punishing women on her shows and rewarding men.  It's like the last of the women in charge are the worst kind to be there.

 

 

[Soapsuds]

It's time they fire her. She hasn't had one good story at all. And I mean good not great. She can't even create a good story. She is a pathetic HW.

[Soaplovers]

 

They gave pratt a year...and gave JFP multiple years.  She isnt as bad as either of them.

 

 

[MichaelGL]

I agree, three months is a little too soon IMO. 

[Roman]

It is. much too soon....and replace her with who? after 3 months? 

[Khan]

Who else?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dena_Higley

 

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