14 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

What a silly man!!! He sounds high on hubris. 

 

He made the lead of that show white because he AND Fox wanted to see if they could keep the HH share for AA viewers from Empire plus build up the HH share for white viewers using a white female lead. I don't buy that as anything other than a business move

 

Isn't he sleeping with a white man? If he is, I'm sure it's to make his partner feeling good or whatever he said.

3 hours ago, Darn said:

No lie but I find Traci kind of awful. She just shows up in town to tell Jack he's terrible for his justified anger at whoever he's angry with this year.

 

The past few times she's visited have been good. It helps having her around because Y&R has failed Ashley so much over the past few years that she can no longer believably counterbalance Jack by herself anymore.

10 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

The past few times she's visited have been good. It helps having her around because Y&R has failed Ashley so much over the past few years that she can no longer believably counterbalance Jack by herself anymore.

 

I didn't like Ashley counterbalance Jack because she always sided with Victor.

14 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

The past few times she's visited have been good. It helps having her around because Y&R has failed Ashley so much over the past few years that she can no longer believably counterbalance Jack by herself anymore.

 

I think her last visit, while seemingly kind and familial, felt off because it existed mostly to make Jack seem petty and small for not immediately forgiving Billy because "family" or this BS that that's what John would have wanted. I imagine John would have wanted his son to not sleep with his other son's wife.

John didn't want his son to sleep with his wife either.  But he did.  

 

So, Jack is just a fuckin hypocrite.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Isn't he sleeping with a white man? If he is, I'm sure it's to make his partner feeling good or whatever he said.

 

I thought he was dating Jussie

Just now, ajsp35801 said:

 

I thought he was dating Jussie

 

Really!! I thought he was dating somebody already.

2 hours ago, Darn said:

 

I think her last visit, while seemingly kind and familial, felt off because it existed mostly to make Jack seem petty and small for not immediately forgiving Billy because "family" or this BS that that's what John would have wanted. I imagine John would have wanted his son to not sleep with his other son's wife.

 

I don't think she was telling Jack to forgive Billy. She was advocating he be civil, in their father's house, solely for the holidays which was a reasonable request.

Edited January 9, 20178 yr by DeeeDee

1 hour ago, DeeeDee said:

 

I don't think she was telling Jack to forgive Billy. She was advocating he be civil, in their father's house, solely for the holidays which was a reasonable request.

 

Yeah, I disagree. It was just more lopsided writing to me. This show never allows Jack to remain justifiably angry.

Edited January 9, 20178 yr by Darn

If Terry Lester (RIP) were in the role, he'd make sure TPTB put some 'respeck' on Jack's name! Sadly, Peter Bergman is no Terry Lester.

55 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

Yeah, I disagree. It was just more lopsided writing to me. This show never allows Jack to justifiably angry.

 

Especially when it Jack & Victor. Ashley always sides with Victor.

Count me in as seeing Tracy as being brought back to lecture jack and make him look wrong for rightfully being angry. 

2 hours ago, Darn said:

 

Yeah, I disagree. It was just more lopsided writing to me. This show never allows Jack to remain justifiably angry.

 

How is that lopsided writing?

 

She never said what Billy did was ok or that it was wrong for Jack to feel justifiably upset with their little brother. Only that Jack acknowledge that even though he lives in the Abbott family house, that doesn't give him the right to bar other Abbotts from their rightful place there too. That was a huge part of Ashley's paternity tantrum. That if she were to wrong Jack in some way he found unacceptable for any reason he'd ex-communicate her altogether too.

 

It's not like the Abbotts were forcing themselves into Jack's place to make him celebrate with them. As Jill said Billy is as much an Abbott as the rest of them no matter who dislikes it. So if Jack wants to completely avoid Billy, in addition to not forgiving him, he should move out & get his own place eliminating the.issue altogether.

 

 

1 hour ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Especially when it Jack & Victor. Ashley always sides with Victor.

 

That's been an issue for years though. Brenda's Ashley married Grambo a year after he took over Jabot so it's not as if her biases are some huge secret.

I don't think Traci's writing is lopsided. She and Ashley were both around for Jack sleeping with Jill so they know what a hypocrite he's being with Billy and their reaction makes total sense. What's out of character is Jack moping around like a baby when he's treated women so bad in the past. Jack is one of the few characters I don't like the current writing for, Billy being the other. I think they need to accept he's in his 60s and adjust how they write him, similar to what they're doing with Victor and Nikki. Keemo and Kyle (well cast for once) are a MUST. He needs adult children and along with Abby to try building a legacy for the Abbott's. Focus on that and business and allow him to be a proper rival to the Newman's again. I'd even give Keemo an adult or teenaged child to further flesh the family out. THEN you can focus on a love interest. 

Jack needs to be recast or written out IMO.