11 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Gloria is decent in small doses, but she should not actively be in any stories. There was a good reason why they ditched her useless and annoying ass in the first place. 

 

+1.

Years ago, on another messageboard, I mentioned that Y&R needed a mix of socio-economic backgrounds and was told that soaps are escape and fantsasy and that no one wants to watch a soap that looks like "the real world".

 

I think you need "strivers" as well as the very financially successful if you want a sustainable dramatic (or even comedic) show.

There's a reason why shows like One Day At A Time are making a comeback but you don't see anyone trying to revive Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous these days. In fact, it flopped the last time someone tried to bring it back.

Edited January 8, 20179 yr by DramatistDreamer

7 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Check out the radio soaps discussion in the Cancelled Soaps thread. Some great stuff there

 

 

Thanks. I'll do that. 

4 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Years ago, on another messageboard, I mentioned that Y&R needed a mix of socio-economic backgrounds and was told that soaps are escape and fantsasy and that no one wants to watch a soap that looks like "the real world".

 

I think you need "strivers" as well as the very financially successful if you want a sustainable dramatic (or even comedic) show.

There's a reason why shows like One Day At A Time are making a comeback but you don't see anyone trying to revive Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous these days. In fact, it flopped the last time someone tried to bring it back.

 

TV shows like Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous are obsolete. Why watch that when you can follow a stars entire life  as they post it on social media? I think folks are just as consumed with rich and famous as the ever were. My TL on twitter is full of celebrity gossip and stans feuding over their favorite celebrity. 

Edited January 8, 20179 yr by ajsp35801

8 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

TV shows like Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous are obsolete. Why watch that when you can follow a stars entire life  as they post it on social media? I think folks are just as consumed with rich and famous as the ever were. My TL on twitter is full of celebrity gossip and stans feuding over their favorite celebrity. 

 

In short takes maybe, but how would a continuing hour-long series do? I'm not talking about reality and celebrities' gossip, guilty pleasure nonsense.

I'm talking about a scripted series with original characters, created by writers and played by actors.

Does this have the same dramatic heft?

The criteria is not the same.

 

Clips posted on Instagram are not the same as what I'm talking about. Reality shows are not the same as what I am talking about.

I'm talking about a story with a constructed dramatic arc, written entirely from the imagination of someone-without ready-made celebrities.

Very different.

Edited January 8, 20179 yr by DramatistDreamer

Has anyone else gotten the sense that it's a bit silly for the one thing that Devon losing his memory over it Hilary doing something catty to Mariah? Like.. I get that what she did was totally wrong and viscious but is that really going to be the reason why Devon will be done with her for good? It just feels like, if Devon was going to lose his memory it should have been over something a little worse than that. Something that Hilary inflicted on Devon directly. 

4 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

In short takes maybe, but how would a continuing hour-long series do? I'm not talking about reality and celebrities' gossip, guilty pleasure nonsense.

I'm talking about a scripted series with original characters, created by writers and played by actors.

Does this have the same dramatic heft?

The criteria is not the same.

 

Clips posted on Instagram are not the same as what I'm talking about. Reality shows are not the same as what I am talking about.

I'm talking about a story with a constructed dramatic arc, written entirely from the imagination of someone-without ready-made celebrities.

Very different.

 

Empire came out with a bang. Down but still slaying demos. It's exactly the type of fantasy stuff I'm talking about. Rich, powerful, and living a life most of it's viewers could only dream about. 

3 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Empire came out with a bang. Down but still slaying demos. It's exactly the type of fantasy stuff I'm talking about. Rich, powerful, and living a life most of it's viewers could only dream about. 

 

Well, we know why Empire is down & it have nothing to do with them being rich & famous. 

5 minutes ago, ryanc said:

Has anyone else gotten the sense that it's a bit silly for the one thing that Devon losing his memory over it Hilary doing something catty to Mariah? Like.. I get that what she did was totally wrong and viscious but is that really going to be the reason why Devon will be done with her for good? It just feels like, if Devon was going to lose his memory it should have been over something a little worse than that. Something that Hilary inflicted on Devon directly. 

 

Yes. 

 

The narrative should be Hilary still lying after she and Devon had their heart to heart and fresh start. He thought they were finally where he wanted them to be and was trusting her but she was still lying. This would make full sense. 

 

But TPTB wants Mariah to do something and to be relevant so we get Hevon arguing and breaking up over her. I guess it would make sense if Devon was going to be with her and Hilary set her up so that he'd choose her over Mariah. Then he dumped Hilary for Mariah and before he could tell her he had the accident. Then the amnesia would have big stakes. But as things stand this is small potatoes. 

 

Not to say it not enjoying these scenes. Cause I am. 

4 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Well, we know why Empire is down & it have nothing to do with them being rich & famous. 

 

I stopped watching Empire quite awhile ago. When they had Cookie appear onstage in a gorilla costume, that was it for me!

Just now, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I stopped watching Empire quite awhile ago. When they had Cookie appear onstage in a gorilla costume, that was it for me!

 

Lol. It was better this season. But I couldn't finish season 2 either. 

2 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I stopped watching Empire quite awhile ago. When they had Cookie appear onstage in a gorilla costume, that was it for me!

 

I just started watching this season again. But, I feel you on that.

Edited January 8, 20179 yr by MoTheGreat

43 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I stopped watching Empire quite awhile ago. When they had Cookie appear onstage in a gorilla costume, that was it for me!

 

I've heard a few people say that. I read that the show said it was supposed to be a homage to Dietrich, but with Lee Daniels' recent comments about helping white viewers feel good and so on, it makes you wonder. 

11 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

I've heard a few people say that. I read that the show said it was supposed to be a homage to Dietrich, but with Lee Daniels' recent comments about helping white viewers feel good and so on, it makes you wonder. 

 

O_O

 

What? Help them feel good? I need context? 

3 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

O_O

 

What? Help them feel good? I need context? 

Watching black women in gorilla suits doesn't make me feel good. Some people need a good lesson in genetics (and not being an a-hole.)