I didn't care for Jill/Colin either, so I can only hope this gets better.

Has Nikki been drinking?

I'm loving Ian. He knows how to reel a bitch in.

EH tanked all the attempts to be a young Nina or Jill. Bad miscasting.

Exactly. EH has always been miscast.

EH tanked all the attempts to be a young Nina or Jill. Bad miscasting.

She really is. Her performance is artless and without charm. When she appears on my screen, all I can see is her disaffected mouth, the corners pointing invariably downward. She is usually haranguing somebody, either Kevin, Chelsea or Esther. She is meant to be the sarcastic, calls-it-like-it-is character, but that's the thing about sarcasm: it has to be on the button and it has to be funny. Chloe never comes across as funny, or witty or a truthteller. Just mean. She seems to have few redeeming qualities.

Delia's death has IMO exposed EH's weaknesses. Basically, EH can only show one emotion at a time. There is never any nuance or shade, her setting is either at SNARKY or at ANGRY. Even when asked to play grief, she went for ANGRY. I mean, I get that her anger was a subset of her grieving. But there was no light and shade as she ground through her dialogue. It was all one monotone emotion in that hard little voice.

And yes, she didn't get all the Emmy opportunities that Billy Miller got (and which went to waste, clearly), but that's your job as an actor. You get scraps, you turn it into a feast.

Edited February 6, 201411 yr by Cat

Hey instead of dissing Jill stuff we should be happy Jess is onscreen as JFP has stated Jess is one of her favorites on daytime. Maria had zero use for Jess or Jill. Let's champion the screen time and glad tristen is back.

For heaven's sake! Even the lord takes a day off.

LOL, Chit.

but it's still not close to classic Y&R, since the majority of the storylines just aren't that strong. Even the B, C, and D storylines used to be really great.

It doesn't feel like Y&R to me because there is no real business storylines. These life tragedies are fine but they need the overarching business story to tie all the cast of characters and stories together. Bonaventure doesn't do it. For example: I can't believe that companies haven't pulled their products from Fenmore's with all their drama going on. Both Jack and Victor should be at least contemplating it with one pulling from and the other staying with..and this should affect each companies bottom line. I think most of us can write this stuff in our sleep. The writers should be able to do so as well. Matter of fact, Devon should be looking to add some boutique to the GCAC that would provide competition for Fenmore's, Jackie M maybe (cross over with B&B, Marcus is his cousin)....maybe even try to use his money to buy political clout to make gambling legal in Wisconsin so he can add a casino. Then have some organized crime members try to take him out to keep it from becoming legal (also works being that they already have the mob story happening). So many business type things can be done on this show and the writers don't even try. All we get is Jack versus Victor over some baby or one trying to take the other's company.

Edited February 6, 201411 yr by ajsp35801

The Jill and Colin scenes were straight-up AWFUL. Total filler -- Jill saying how "thrilled" she was to be married to Colin -- cut to a flashback of Jill being patently NOT thrilled.

The forced hilarity of the scenes were especially grating. Because nothing is funnier than knowing Jill was handcuffed to a bed for a month while her son descended into a vicious spiral of despair over her grand-daughter's death? WTF?

If William J Bell (or his handpicked successors Kay Alden, Jack Smith) had been writing, we would have had one of those amazing background music chords slowly building the psychological tension as Jill tries to make everybody believe that she and Colin married out of love, while really he twisted her arm to get what he wanted. Colin would be standing just behind her shoulder, watching her like a hawk as Jill valiantly paints a picture of Love Found Again, to the point where she actually sounds convincing. Once her family and loved ones leaves, the mask finally falls and Jill would swear revenge on Colin.

The REAL Jill would, that is. Instead we are back to MAB-style writing. Jill the loser. Jill the comedic harridan. Isn't it hilarious how Colin wants to consummate their fake marriage in her bedroom?! Ahahaha.

MY Jill was never these things. She suffered, she plotted, she'd been through all sorts of tragedy, but she was also rich, powerful, diva-esque, smart, glamourous, manipulative and utterly amazing to watch. Not this retcon.

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For heaven's sake! Even the lord takes a day off.

It doesn't feel like Y&R to me because there is no real business storylines. These life tragedies are fine but they need the overarching business story to tie all the cast of characters and stories together. Bonaventure doesn't do it. For example: I can't believe that companies haven't pulled their products from Fenmore's with all their drama going on. Both Jack and Victor should be at least contemplating it with one pulling from and the other staying with..and this should affect each companies bottom line. I think most of us can write this stuff in our sleep. The writers should be able to do so as well. Matter of fact, Devon should be looking to add some boutique to the GCAC that would provide competition for Fenmore's, Jackie M maybe (cross over with B&B, Marcus is his cousin)....maybe even try to use his money to buy political clout to make gambling legal in Wisconsin so he can add a casino. Then have some organized crime members try to take him out to keep it from becoming legal (also works being that they already have the mob story happening). So many business type things can be done on this show and the writers don't even try. All we get is Jack versus Victor over some baby or one trying to take the other's company.

I agree. It's YR on the surface, but deep down. The heart and soul is still lacking.

Jill isn't poor I think she's "Downton Abby" broke. Her disposable income isn't sufficient to keep up with the huge expenses of the running the Chancellor Estate. Estate taxes, repairs, gardeners for the grounds and graveyard, and updating an old house like that has to cost a fortune.

I'm fine with Colin returning because TR & JW are fantastic together. MAB DESTROYED the Chancellor clan so they don't have a good place to begin. Why not dive in and use the strength of the actors, build up Colin's character and go from there? Jill being stuck with Colin on the estate reminds me of her being tied to Katherine once Jill won the rights to half the mansion. I'm thrilled to see characters in the mansion again. The Chancellor stories always had more humor, & could always a be a bit crazier than the rest, so Colin fits that home perfectly. As long a Genevieve never shows up I'm good.

I'd rather have Genevieve than Colin. How are they going to explain that he isn't allowed back in the country...Im still waiting on that explanation.

He said on today's show that he married Jill to stay in the country.,.didnt he? At least I think he did.

Victor getting CI was stupid and made no sense. Just more to have Victor and Jack with story. Jill didn't even need to partner with Jack to take over Chancellor. I know many like the Abbot connection but I don't. It only served to give him story with her being kidnapped tied to a bed off screen..

Yes he mentioned that he was marrying her for that BUT it was my understanding that he couldn't come back because of his criminal activities...not because he wasn't a citizen. I thought once you were banished from the country for crimes you can't come back no matter what.

My memory of the details may be a little fuzzy however.

Hated Jill/Colin. Like, why didn't she just kick him in the balls and grab her phone? There must be some sort of "blackmail" explanation to come, but I can't see Jill being so blase when she knows that Billy is in trouble... and when she got to the mansion, she just accepted Jack's word that Billy needs to be left alone and just continues to tell the story? She should've been bugging out.

Was JFP the EP at GH when Jason and Brenda got married? Cause this was exactly like that, except not entertaining or witty at all.

I really don't want them to go down the route of Cassie being real. We had enough doppelgangers. They need to be phasing out those type of plotlines.

I will say the pacing has improved... they're wrapping up some of the bigger stories like Carmine and Adam, but they have a few secrets bubbling under (Billy/Watros and Sharon switching the paternity test), and some other good ones developing, especially with Ian Ward... but it's still not close to classic Y&R, since the majority of the storylines just aren't that strong. Even the B, C, and D storylines used to be really great.

I agree the whole cassie mess is stupid.

I think the pacing has improved because now its sweeps but it'll probably decrease again afterwards. Hope I'm wrong as the show for the most part has been good.

I'd rather have Genevieve than Colin. How are they going to explain that he isn't allowed back in the country...Im still waiting on that explanation.

I'd rather have neither, personally. I didn't think that GenVs character fit the show at all nor was I impressed with GF's over the top acting. However, she did get better once she toned her character down 2 or 3 notches. But still, I was well rid of her. Mostly because I thought that they were well on their way to making Cane into Tucker's son also. I did not want. They may still go there but not very likely now that GenV nor Tucker are on.

They really blew their chance with the whole Nina vs Chloe thing they tried to create in 2009-10......I know this is obvious but this show has been in desperate need of a conniving vixen that matched the likes of Jill and Nina back in the day, and they had a golden opportunity to do that when Chloe came on, but they cared more about her becoming another Fisher/Baldwin prop...............I even wish Jill herself would resume her inner bitch goddess that made her stand out in the 80's and 90's but they haven't written her that way in almost a decade.......I always love Jess as an actress but whenever I watch old scenes of Jill I often ask myself if Jess would be able to act like that now, and still pull off the over the top wardrobe that use to define Jill....

I think they were going that route with Nina vs Chloe but Tricia Cast wasn't on contract and I don't think she wanted to be so she may not have always been available.

Hey instead of dissing Jill stuff we should be happy Jess is onscreen as JFP has stated Jess is one of her favorites on daytime. Maria had zero use for Jess or Jill. Let's champion the screen time and glad tristen is back.

I hate boring storylines so if this is going to be her story I'd rather her be put on the backburner. We shouldn't have to settle for scraps and and bad storytelling.

I'd rather have neither, personally. I didn't think that GenVs character fit the show at all nor was I impressed with GF's over the top acting. However, she did get better once she toned her character down 2 or 3 notches. But still, I was well rid of her. Mostly because I thought that they were well on their way to making Cane into Tucker's son also. I did not want. They may still go there but not very likely now that GenV nor Tucker are on.

I didn't like her at first either but she grew on me when they toned her down. The only reason why I would rather have her however is because they wouldn't have to rewrite or overlook history to bring her back. I have a feeling jill is going to fall for Colin the man who not only kidnapped her but her "grandchildren" as well and I can't ever see myself accepting them as a couple.

But you're right neither are needed.

Edited February 6, 201411 yr by PJA

Genevieve was one of the most annoying characters to grace this show. Hated that bitch! And hated how MAB tried to replace Jill with her.