Yep, she is terribly miscast and they have given her no character to work with and horrible writing on top of that.

LMAO! I still laugh when I see the "JFP has destroyed Y&R" and "Fire JFP" tweets. Not that I am a fan of hers by any stretch, but these obsessed fans & stans are truly ridiculous in their agendas, and wanting Queen MAB back. The "character destruction" happened as soon as Billy Miller & Michael Muhney were cast. They are Billy and Adam in name only.

Did you see that crazy fangurl's video about the firing of MM. She called her Whore Farren Phelps like 10 times in it because she fired "the future of Y&R" and stole her man I guess.

Did you see that crazy fangurl's video about the firing of MM. She called her Whore Farren Phelps like 10 times in it because she fired "the future of Y&R" and stole her man I guess.

On the Victoria/Bill front, I will say that I'm glad Victoria is not pregnant. A couple of weeks after Delia got hit there were a lot of rumblings that she would be. I would have found that writing decision to be in terrible taste.

I suspect that Billy and Victoria are going to be a Nictor/Shick type of couple. They may break up, but there is going to be a lot of back and forth. Even under these writers we've had a lot of dialogue indicating that Billy is the one for Victoria. Plus, I think the writer's like the conflict with Victor, even though I'm finding it played out.

I suspect a lot of that is going to change with David Tom coming back. If the chemistry tanks (not that Miller and Henile are anything special), they'll have to start fresh with both characters.

Did you see that crazy fangurl's video about the firing of MM. She called her Whore Farren Phelps like 10 times in it because she fired "the future of Y&R" and stole her man I guess.

Nope, thankfully I missed that. How unstable can those stans be?

On the Victoria/Bill front, I will say that I'm glad Victoria is not pregnant. A couple of weeks after Delia got hit there were a lot of rumblings that she would be. I would have found that writing decision to be in terrible taste.

I suspect that Billy and Victoria are going to be a Nictor/Shick type of couple. They may break up, but there is going to be a lot of back and forth. Even under these writers we've had a lot of dialogue indicating that Billy is the one for Victoria. Plus, I think the writer's like the conflict with Victor, even though I'm finding it played out.

Which is doubly icky to me because they're an insipid couple and, in my mind, Billy and Victoria are still David and Heather Tom, which doesn't work for obvious reasons. But you are right, they can't help themselves since Billy is an Abbott and brings out a lot of easy, cheap drama.

And can soaps be done with replacement miracle babies for dead offspring FOREVER?

I suspect a lot of that is going to change with David Tom coming back. If the chemistry tanks (not that Miller and Henile are anything special), they'll have to start fresh with both characters.

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Tom is completely different type of actor than Miller. They'll have to alter the writing to suit his style, which is what they've been doing with Miller for years.

I can't remember the details. I think because the original adoption was illegal, Phyllis was able to petition for custody as a biological relative of the child. Either way, it isn't a similar to Johnny's legal adoption that has been finalized for over a year. Chelsea had six months to change her mind and she didn't. She can't just rip this kid out of his home two years later. She's also shown no interest in doing so.

I mean, every time a couple breaks up should the writers kill off their kids, so they can have a clean slate? I don't think so, and I don't think they should reverse adoptions that were done years ago for that purpose either.

Well to be honest, I always thought that a custody battle was the purpose of giving the kid to Victoria and Billy. I also never really thought the child was his. Here is the thing. It doesn't have to be a dramatic ripping of the child from Victoria's bosom. If Billy and Chelsea get together with johnnie visiting them and Chelsea playing stepmother to her own bio son, I can see Victoria choosing to allow them to have him full time while she is the noncustodial parent. Then I can see her choosing to bow out. Don't get me wrong, IRL it would never happen, but this is a soap. Anything is possible. Just because Chelsea has shown no interest in Johnny doesn't mean she never will. She gave the kid up presumably because she wanted him to have this two parent home..,if he is not going to have that then what was the purpose of her giving him up. I can see her rethinking her decision. Again, this is fiction.

If it wasn't for BM's departure, I wouldn't think this story with Kelly was the end of Victoria/Billy. I am interested to see who DT has chemistry with.

Tom is completely different type of actor than Miller. They'll have to alter the writing to suit his style, which is what they've been doing with Miller for years.

Yep, they've had no issue writing Billy out of character to suit Miller. But they always seem to have a problem with altering the writing to deliver characters as they should and used to be.

On the Victoria/Bill front, I will say that I'm glad Victoria is not pregnant. A couple of weeks after Delia got hit there were a lot of rumblings that she would be. I would have found that writing decision to be in terrible taste.

I suspect that Billy and Victoria are going to be a Nictor/Shick type of couple. They may break up, but there is going to be a lot of back and forth. Even under these writers we've had a lot of dialogue indicating that Billy is the one for Victoria. Plus, I think the writer's like the conflict with Victor, even though I'm finding it played out.

Was this dialogue before or after the show parting ways with Billy Miller?

If it wasn't for BM's departure, I wouldn't think this story with Kelly was the end of Victoria/Billy. I am interested to see who DT has chemistry with.

I doubt it would be...just like without MM's firing, I wouldn't think Adam hit Delia.

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If it wasn't for BM's departure, I wouldn't think this story with Kelly was the end of Victoria/Billy. I am interested to see who DT has chemistry with.

He has excellent chemistry with Eileen Davidson, Peter Bergman, Jess Walton, Tracey Bergman, etc.

Romantically, we'll see.

Didn't they do this very thing with lucy and Daniel.

Daniel never got his parental rights back. The judge denied his request. That is why he married Daisy. It was the only way he would get legal access to Lucy.

The same thing also almost happened with Sharon. Alice was going to win the custody case and she knew it. She decided at the last minute to terminate her rights so Sharon and Nick could raise Cassie.

Also Phyllis lost custody of Daniel to Danny.

He has excellent chemistry with Eileen Davidson, Peter Bergman, Jess Walton, Tracey Bergman, etc.

Romantically, we'll see.

Who do you think the options are...Victoria, Kelly, Chloe, Chelsea, Hilary?...Lily?

Some characters need to stay single for a while, which is the route I hope is taken.

I would not be surprised if they did. But where does that leave her friendship with Chloe? Chloe loved Billy and wanted him for the longest time. I can buy their friendship now because Chelsea never did. But really, I don't want to see Chloe propping up Billy and Chelsea the way she does Adam and Chelsea.

And didn't they also do it legally with Daniel giving up his rights...then Phyllis blocked it. Right?

I don't think they will do Billy and Chelsea because for the most part they try to avoid them interacting because people usually are reminded that she raped him. This is why people should think twice about how they introduce characters. Down the road Billy/Chelsea could have been fun byt rapemances are not cute. Just like Daniel marrying Daisy was gross, though I got it.

As far as Lucy. When Villy were trying to legaly adopt Lucy they put out ads trying to find Daisy. If she didn't reply within that timeframe her parental rights would be terminated. Daniel terminated his. On the day of the deadline Phyllis marched into the courtroom with Daisy who told the judge she did not want to give up her rights. So the adoption was blocked.

Daniel never got his parental rights back. The judge denied his request. That is why he married Daisy. It was the only way he would get legal access to Lucy.

The same thing also almost happened with Sharon. Alice was going to win the custody case and she knew it. She decided at the last minute to terminate her rights so Sharon and Nick could raise Cassie.

Also Phyllis lost custody of Daniel to Danny.

So Sharon and Cassie is a good comparison to Chelsea and Johnny. I could something similar playing out. Victoria deciding at the eleventh hour to give Johnny to her...especially if Chelsea and Billy are together.