And P! Nk can sing.....

"Can we work it out? Can we be a family? I promise to be better. Daddy please don't leave..." Honestly, I've never had a moment where I went, "Wow, what a great voice" in regards to Pink. More like, "This song is catchy as hell," and her voice could carry it.

Who gives a sh-t? This isnt 1974. If you want that music, then that is forever encapsulated in records, casettes, CDs and now modernized on the internet to relive. That aint hot today and people's tastes have evolved. There is plenty of diversity to be found out there across all genres. Again just bc you dont like someone, doesnt mean they cant sing and have no talent. As its been stated already, today's music simply is NOT for you.

Who gives a sh-t? This isnt 1974. If you want that music, then that is forever encapsulated in records, casettes, CDs and now modernized on the internet to relive. That aint hot today and people's tastes have evolved. There is plenty of diversity to be found out there across all genres. Again just bc you dont like someone, doesnt mean they cant sing and have no talent. As its been stated already, today's music simply is NOT for you.

Today's record business DOES lack diversity... no teenager or young adult in the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's had to go running to KOREA to find music to listen to.

It boils down to simple lack of diversity, something everyone on this board carries on incessantly about when it comes to soaps, but lack of diversity in music seems to be the best thing since sliced bread. At one time, in the top 40, you could see and instrumental, a hippie rock song, a big ballad by a female singer, and people as oppposite as Frank Sinatra and Miriam Makeba all in the same week. Here's a perfect example, the #1 songs of 2012. 6 of these songs are sung by high, thin, reedy female voices augmented by autotune (And one, Kelly Clarkson, Doesn't NEED Autotune)

And now, 1974, Country rock, Soul, retro style britpop, Movie themes, Instrumental, tear jerker bubblegum, campy pop, folk, hard rock, comedy/novelty, disco, tender love ballads, rockabilly.

You just can't deny when you compare both year's number one hits, that there was FAR more diversity in style and singer. And that is what is missing, and why sales are plummeting, there ins't something for everyone anymore... it's all geared to 12-20 year old hipsters to the TOTAL exclusion of everyone else. And the female vocalists in the 2012 video all sing in a similar vocal range, and are all covered in autotune EXCEPT Adele... and in the 1974 video there is Striesand, Roberta Flack, Olivia Newton John, Cher, Helen Reddy, and Dionne Warwick, all of which are completely POLAR OPPOSITES of each other in style, voice, and vocal phrasing and interpretation.

OK. I will say this once more before I leave the subject alone for good. THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 IS NOT A SUPREME REPRESENTATION OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN 2013. No amount of clinging to Billboard's past authority will make it any more relevant today. Are people listening to the songs on the Top 40? Absolutely. Yes. But I don't know anyone who listens to only the Top 40 without supplementing with other styles of music. You cannot say all these things about "everything" in current music if you're only basing it on a tiny fraction of popular acts. You just have no clue what you're talking about.

Today's record business DOES lack diversity... no teenager or young adult in the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's had to go running to KOREA to find music to listen to.

WTF!!

I'm done lol Baby boomers are stubborn as sh!t.

Lord, baby boomers are over 50!! i'm not that old, YET!! LOL Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Good debate, though! I love a good verbal sparring match.

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by alphanguy74

OK. I will say this once more before I leave the subject alone for good. THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 IS NOT A SUPREME REPRESENTATION OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN 2013. No amount of clinging to Billboard's past authority will make it any more relevant today. Are people listening to the songs on the Top 40? Absolutely. Yes. But I don't know anyone who listens to only the Top 40 without supplementing with other styles of music. You cannot say all these things about "everything" in current music if you're only basing it on a tiny fraction of popular acts. You just have no clue what you're talking about.

WTF!!

I'm done lol Baby boomers are stubborn as sh!t.

Right? It's actually the exact opposite for me. I usually ONLY listen to what's NOT on the top 40 and never listen to the radio. That's the last place one should look for music.

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by Bright Eyes

Robin Thicke is sexy and his new album is my current obsession. That's all I have to add at this point.

Oh and I can't wait for new britney music. Is she an amazing singer? Nope. She needs auto tune to save her life and I give no !@#$%^&*] about it.

A singer or actor etc is here to entertain. She entertains me. And that's all that matters. She really is a lot like Cher IMO and I've always thought they were far more comparable than her and Madonna, if anyone is like Madonna it is Rihanna (who by the way is a far better vocalist, as she proved on Stay IMO - one of the best, most haunting and romantic ballads I've ever heard - and I love 60s music)

Just because something isn't your exact style doesn't mean it sucks. It means it's not for you, and if your not in their target audience then does it matter if you like them or think they are talented?

Right? It's actually the exact opposite for me. I usually ONLY listen to what's NOT on the top 40 and never listen to the radio. That's the last place one should look for music.

That's one of the reason I say that sales are down, because older consumers have been squeezed out of the market, people over 40 don't want to go on a easter egg hunt to find a song to listen to.

Robin Thicke is sexy and his new album is my current obsession. That's all I have to add at this point.

I'm ready for Give Ut 2 U to smash! Can't stop playing it.

That's one of the reason I say that sales are down, because older consumers have been squeezed out of the market, people over 40 don't want to go on a easter egg hunt to find a song to listen to.

They are down because of the digital age. Plain and simple. There are a lot of country, AC, and adult R&B artists that still sell tons of records. Sade sold a ton a few years ago after a 10+ year break. To put it simply the music market is not an albums market anymore it's about the singles. Times change. Stuff that was popular in 1965 or whatever doesn't work now. It is what it is. And the songs that hit #1 is not accurate. There have been hip hop, country, folk, rock and piano ballads that all smashed on top 40 radio and like AMS said people are discovering artitsts online now. We don't need to listen to radio or watch Americamn Bandstand to find music these days. You seem overly critical of artists that aren't even making music to appeal to you.

Simply because I forgot to say this earlier - there are PLENTY of artists today who do not require autotune: Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Mariah Carey, Justin Timberlake, etc. Sure, their voices are polished for the final product but that does NOT take away from the fact that they are immensely talented performers who sound even better live. The use of autotune is not a fair way to judge someone's ability. Hell, Ke$ha is extremely autotuned on her tracks. I went to her concert two years ago expecting it to be mediocre and was completely wowed by how truly vocally gifted she actually is. So, like I said, the autotune argument is irrelevant.

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by Mr. Vixen

Simply because I forgot to say this earlier - there are PLENTY of artists today who do not require autotune: Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Mariah Carey, Justin Timberlake, etc. Sure, their voices are polished for the final product but that does NOT take away from the fact that they are immensely talented performers who sound even better live. The use of autotune is not a fair way to judge someone's ability. Hell, Ke$ha is extremely autotuned on her tracks. I went to her concert two years ago expecting it to be mediocre and was completely wowed by how truly vocally gifted she actually is. So, like I said, the autotune argument is irrelevant.

Kelly Clarkson and Pink and Timberlake are people who can sing live, but their radio hits are as autotuned as anyone elses. Its above and beyond some polishing.

Funny you mention Kesha, I saw her do a soundcheck and her natual voice was, so good! She later said she used autotune because she wanted to be huge and make radio hits and make millions and she did it lol.

Today's record business DOES lack diversity... no teenager or young adult in the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's had to go running to KOREA to find music to listen to.

Maybe not, but they did have to go across the pond.

Dont try and act as if international music crossing over is something new in today's society

Edited August 29, 201312 yr by Cheap21

A+ Response.

Lets also act like getting music for Korea was simple, or even really possible, back then.