Another reason I liked JVA's Gloria is because although she had made a humble life for herself in Detroit, she was still a bad person--and JVA wasn't afraid to play that. I feel like Chapman they had her doing nasty things then whining for people to forgive her. I could *never* see JVA agreeing to play that. She accepted Gloria's flaws and dark qualities. Of course Joan is just more of a complex actress so I guess it's to be expected.

Another reason I liked JVA's Gloria is because although she had made a humble life for herself in Detroit, she was still a bad person--and JVA wasn't afraid to play that. I feel like Chapman they had her doing nasty things then whining for people to forgive her. I could *never* see JVA agreeing to play that. She accepted Gloria's flaws and dark qualities. Of course Joan is just more of a complex actress so I guess it's to be expected.

I think as an actress JC is far superior, but she is playing what is written and what the show wanted. Camp and comedy.

JVA's glroia wouldnt have been anything on Y&R because JVA herself has said she couldnt handle the work load and that showed in her work and as time went on as opposed to getting used to it i think she would tapered off before just being forgotten.

Gloria is a disaster though and has far, far outlived her welcome. Kevin too.

Another reason I liked JVA's Gloria is because although she had made a humble life for herself in Detroit, she was still a bad person--and JVA wasn't afraid to play that. I feel like Chapman they had her doing nasty things then whining for people to forgive her. I could *never* see JVA agreeing to play that. She accepted Gloria's flaws and dark qualities. Of course Joan is just more of a complex actress so I guess it's to be expected.

Exactly.

JVA grounded the character in reality & earned the audience's sympathy.

Her Gloria was a greedy, low class, manipulative, hard living schemer who couldn't stay out of trouble & when she dealt with the consequences of her actions it was in that regard instead of a misunderstood social climber like Chapman's Gloria.

JVA's Gloria was a lot like Ilene Kristen's Delia.

The problem with Chapman (is like Heinle) she plays a very specific type & since the writers care more about plot than character it's easy for them to write to an actors strength instead of keeping characters in character.

SoapDope, wouldn't you include the Barber-Winters as well? They've been around over 20 years and at least up until Victoria Rowell's final exit they were almost always on the frontburner and were well integrated into the cast. I'd definitely include them as a core family.

You are right. They would be a core family as well. Mamie had been around since 1982 and the rest of the family arrived in 1990.

At this point Michael was still rightfully written as an outsider and I loved the redemption of Kevin. The writers didn't white-wash anything he did and characters were allowed to dislike him. The canvas was still treated like a real town where Kevin could have his supporters in his storyline, because everything wasn't so interconnected.

Gawd, how could I forget the worse redemption story EVAH; Kevin Fisher. Mac running around defending Kevin, a pedophile who tried to murder Colleen and gave a child an STD. For f'k sake, Kevin ended up being J.T.'s roommate and embraced by John whose granddaughter he almost killed. I swear, I rolled my eyes throughout that ridiculous story and then, stopped for watching for awhile. It is exactly that kind of BS that costs soap viewers.

The character of Kevin should have never been brought back, period. If they felt that they desperately had to keep Greg Rikaart, they should have gone with the twin scenario. It worked for GH. When they realized how talented Jon Lindstrom was when he played the serial killer, Ryan Chamberlain, they brought him back as Kevin Collins, Ryan's twin. Kevin had to overcome Ryan's crimes and win over the people of PC. Kevin became one of GH's best characters.

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Gawd, how could I forget the worse redemption story EVAH; Kevin Fisher. Mac running around defending Kevin, a pedophile who tried to murder Colleen and gave a child an STD. For f'k sake, Kevin ended up being J.T.'s roommate and embraced by John whose granddaughter he almost killed. I swear, I rolled my eyes throughout that ridiculous story and then, stopped for watching for awhile. It is exactly that kind of BS that costs soap viewers.

And years later there is still no point for Kevin to still be in town.

Any guesses on the sister and brother duo's big secret?

What is Noah's girl's name? She's pretty clingy and annoying.

Adriana.

Cane's repulsing and comes across like a predator.

Lily's hair looks like a rat's nest and her sex scavenger hunt wasn't sexy.

Glad Victor's PI turned on him.

Not surprised Mason wants to jump ship. Can't blame him for not wanting to work under the two bafoons when he has ambition. I'm really liknig this character.

Noah and Adriana have great chemistry.

Phyllis is back to acting like she's holier than thou.

Adriana.

Thanks. How long ago did they find out Stephanie was a congressman's daughter?

Thanks. How long ago did they find out Stephanie was a congressman's daughter?

I think it was January 4.

Thanks. How long ago did they find out Stephanie was a congressman's daughter?

I believe last week since or the week before. I know Pinter came as the congressman last week.

I'll have to catch up on the rest of today's epi later. Big kidnapping case news conference interrupted today.

Any guesses on the sister and brother duo's big secret?

They're not really brother and sister?

They're not really brother and sister?

That's probably half their secret!

The other half: they have a child together.