I'll go first:

B&B

- While not perfect, the show is currently in the best shape it's been in since 2003.

Y&R

- Genie Francis is terrific as Genevieve Atkinson. I know she wasn't well liked in her first few months on her show, but I'm currently watching June 2011 episodes and I LOVE her campy take on the character, despite the overall wretchedness of the storyline. Although I never saw Francis on GH, so I don't have that to compare it to. I'd love to see her on B&B in a Sally Spectra/Jackie Marone type role.

- Phyllis is one of very few characters to actually flourish under MAB (save for the Lucy custody madness). And of course, I still consider La Stafford to be the best actress in daytime.

- Maura West was AT LEAST as miscast as Diane as Shari Shattuck was as Ashley.

Lucky having sex with Maxie who's had a crush on him since she was a little girl and who was giving him free drugs is him losing?

Lucky having sex with Maxie who's had a crush on him since she was a little girl and who was giving him free drugs is him losing?

It was on GH. That's what led to his downfall. Well, that and those pesky pills that kept jumping into his hand and the fact that he was an a**hole.

Who was Lucky constantly losing to?

Jason, Liz, Nikolas, Ethan, Helena, Luke, the line just goes on and on, and on, and on....

Edited May 6, 201213 yr by Skin

There was also Maxie, who played Lucky like a fiddle with her pillow pregnancy. He was such a chump.

Lucky and AJ were the show's punching bags over the last ten or so years. You could say Jax was towards the end of his character arc as well.

Lucky was the show's punching bag? Really cuz they sure did a good job of making everyone else look bad in comparison when JJ returned. Was he the punching bag under JY?

JY's Lucky was used as an antagonist. He was nobody's punching bag. Well, except for Helena maybe.

I think Brody got a terribly raw deal his entire time on the show. He wasn't Shane's father, wasn't Ryder's father and wasn't Liam's father. Did Cartini just hate him or what? He was constantly losing to Rex, John and Ford his entire tenure there. He was like OLTL's own version of Lucky.

I think that he was clearly initially imagined as a short-term character. Though Brody remained a whipping boy through his one life to live on OLTL, I don't think Cartini hated him at all. I think RC loved him and that's why I was SO surprised that he Eli Clarke'd him (though, this was during/after batshit crazy Marty). What differentiated Brody from GH's Lucky and AJ was that RC constantly provided him with a sympathetic POV and it was clear that he really wanted the audience to be invested in Brody's outcome. Though Rex, John, and eventually Ford were preferred by TPTB, I think Brody was a game piece they really valued until he full force got thrown under the Ford bus and Jollie train (let's face it, this joke couple decimated more people than a bus could accommodate).

And Brody got a shot at happily ever after with Jess, something Bob Guza would've never mofo'n ever let happen with (GV's) Lucky or AJ.

I loved Brody and despite this post, I do agree and was so upset at how many times he got sucker punched, I just don't think RC wrote him as the reject that Guza did regarding Lucky and AJ.

I think the only reason Brody stayed as long as he did was because of the absolute worthlessness of the show's pets. Bree Williamson could not carry a story - she had just tried, with Tess' return, and it wrecked the show. Brody propped her up until they could find her someone they saw as worthy (like Ford). Brody and Natalie also had to move story for the fish lipped McBain who could do nothing but squint and pout and put his hands on his hips.

Edited May 6, 201213 yr by CarlD2

Lucky having sex with Maxie who's had a crush on him since she was a little girl and who was giving him free drugs is him losing?

His time with Maxie was hardly him winning. It nearly destroyed his life

Lucky was the show's punching bag? Really cuz they sure did a good job of making everyone else look bad in comparison when JJ returned. Was he the punching bag under JY?

Yes he was and they did a good job at making him looking bad in comparison to everyone else throughout GV's run

Edited May 6, 201213 yr by Cheap21

His time with Maxie was hardly him winning. It nearly destroyed his life

Yes he was and they did a good job at making him looking bad in comparison to everyone else throughout GV's run

But he did it on his own. Liz didn't drive him to do it.

Jacob Young had left the show before Frons and Guza really got their hooks into the show and started the destruction.

But he did it on his own. Liz didn't drive him to do it.

Whoa, where did I even mention Liz in my post and say she drove him to do anything?

Whoa, where did I even mention Liz in my post and say she drove him to do anything?

Oh the Liz part isn't directed to you. It's directed to the original poster who has blamed Liz for it in the past. The drug stuff and Maxie is all on Lucky.

Lucky was the show's punching bag? Really cuz they sure did a good job of making everyone else look bad in comparison when JJ returned. Was he the punching bag under JY?

Though my Lucky will always be GV, I can totally understand why people cry foul that both recasts were wildly different from JJ's Lucky, who wasn't even remotely a conglomeration of JY's and GV's Lucky when he returned (but GV's Lucky didn't incorporate really anything from JY's or JJ's, either). But JY's Lucky was a total jerk, totally vilified until he became afterthought post-Liz (that's when she moved on to the Jason/Zander triangle).

JJ's Lucky was a sympathetic antihero, that's a whole other story.

But GV wasn't written for until the drug story, unless you count that weird Lucky/Summer/Luke story or the briefest brief teasing with Emily when Nik was 'dead' . . . then he and Liz reunited by default and had no story until Maxie/the pills and then they were catapulted onto the front burner with the rectangle with JaSam. L&L2 were basically irrelevant through most of '04, '05 (despite their splashy wedding), and half of '06.

And then Lucky got the AJ treatment, but I'd dare to say that AJ even always had more of a POV than Lucky, even if it wasn't respected by the writers or other characters. But the initial addiction story through the Metro Court hostage crisis wasn't so bad for Lucky, and there was even seemingly hope for him and Liz . . . we saw his struggle, got the "Spencer curse" motif, then he was turning his [!@#$%^&*] around and Maxie and Ric (OMG, I loved that fall with Lucky, Jason, and Ric chasing after Liz) were constantly foiling him, and Laura's return positioned him in a good spot. And we got those amazing scenes at the hospital and, more so, at Laura's house on the porch. And then it was all over for Lucky. Guza made him a FOOL and provided him no POV, ever. He and Sam were HOT, but that's when she was being destroyed and they unfortunately had no substance, though possessed limitless potential. I think Garin Wolf was the only writer to really, truly understand this rectangle during the writers' strike and all four characters came into their own and had logical forms of self-expression with each other. Lucky learning Sam was seven kinds of shady and then her and Liz getting kidnapped . . . even though Jason saved the day over Lucky, that was such a well done climax for those four ending with the CGI areal shot of them on the bridge. But ya, Lucky always, always, always lost to Jason and was treated as a complete reject that they didn't even bother to provide with a POV.

Ugh, sorry for the rant, lol.