I thought I'd open since it's been a week. It still doesn't seem real.

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

Remind me not to cross you.😂

🤐

I'm sorry, y'all! Not gonna derail the thread again. 

Aren't y'all excited for the anniversary tomorrow?! 😁 What episodes we gonna watch?

On 3/31/2024 at 1:11 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

I am pretty certain they talked about Casey's death. If I am not mistaken, one of Katie's early arcs on the show was that she found the tapes that Casey recorded prior to them passing. 

(re: Goutman) I hate when people in power down the line have remorse for something that was painfully obvious. Had he not let his ego constantly get in the way of the betterment of the show, I think ATWT would've had a fighting chance. I am glad that he is no longer staining the remaining four soaps with this stupidity. 

(re: Katie) Fans disliked Katie b/c she was sanctimonious twit. For me, Katie was too one dimensional and had no good qualities. Every other vixen on the canvas (i.e. Carly, Emily, Molly, Allison) on the canvas at the time had something likable and redeemable about them. Katie started selfish and ended selfish. And don't get me started on how she became the moral high ground to Carly--constantly taking Carly to task as if Katie was some saint. 

The only time I found her remotely tolerable was when she was with Brad. Once he was killed off, it annoyed me to no end how they made her a sniveling martyr to the end. They even made Nancy's memorial episode more about Katie than Nancy and Hughes. And it still bothers me that Chris (now played by show-killer Cosgrove) got latched to Katie. Especially, in the early years when Katie never truly felt remorse for getting him arrested for stalking during the Endicott Awards story. 

I do think that had Katie had more familial scenes with Craig and Margo, she would've been layered even more. Most of her scenes with Margo consisted of Margo cleaning up her messes or scolding her. And her scenes with Craig consisted of Katie scolding Craig or running to him for assistance to handle something on her behalf unethically. 

While I enjoyed Sheffer's era most than many, he did do a lot of stupid sh*t. One of them being writing all of Lyla's kids so dislikable. Margo became too judgmental and that arc with Doc Reese... yikes. She lost all of her edge from previous eras. Craig was too cartoony. They erased any progression Craig had made b/c Sheffer was eager to have a Victor Newman/Sonny Corinthos/Stefano Dimera type villain on ATWT. Looking back, they should've made Hunt Block play Rick Ryan (Babs' brother) instead of Craig. All of the stories they played could've easily played with Rick. He still could've been the town pariah that lusted after Carly. 

I think Katie was better written in her first year or two on the show when she did have scenes with Margo...when she was a little schemer and wasn't written as a heroine.

It seemed once she and Simon became well liked as a couple is when the show started propping her up.

The only time I liked her in the later years is when she and Reid were friends..and they bantered with one another.  It was what she and Henry should have been..but weren't.

 

23 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think Katie was better written in her first year or two on the show when she did have scenes with Margo...when she was a little schemer and wasn't written as a heroine.

It seemed once she and Simon became well liked as a couple is when the show started propping her up.

The only time I liked her in the later years is when she and Reid were friends..and they bantered with one another.  It was what she and Henry should have been..but weren't.

 

Agreed. Yet another thing that Reid (the character) made pop on the show. While I am a NUKE fan, I did like what Reid added to the show. I always wonder though what they would've did with the character had the show not been canceled. 

But I hated Henry being Katie's lackey. I am so glad they tossed him in Barbara's orbit toward the end. The only thing I didn't like was making him James' newest seed and his mother being the person to finally kill James. That was a waste of everyone's time. 

So many decent stunt castings happened toward the end that could've been legacy characters and JP and Goutman put those poor actors in stupid roles. 

I had wish they would've recast Stuart Damon as Don or Grant to give our poor Lisa a happy ending at the end of the show. And Billy Warlock could've easily been a recast Scott Eldridge or one of the other Snyder brothers (Caleb or Seth). Or even Ryder. Just the possibilities. 

2 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Katie (with EddieMan) found the tape of Margo offing Casey..and they were like, "Oh, that's sad...but she did what she needed to do," and that was the end. It could have been dramatic but..no.  

don’t know why they even bothered.

and as far as dramatic — not knowing her father could (should) have been a real issue for katie; finding out that margo was the one who pulled the plug could have created an emotionally authentic rift between them. 

instead it was as though tptb said, ‘well, i guess we have to say something,’ then just checked it off the list. 

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Aren't y'all excited for the anniversary tomorrow?! 😁 What episodes we gonna watch?

This forthcoming soap The Gates and P&G’s involvement has gotten me thinking about how much does P&G plan to acknowledge the existence of their IP. Especially since they will be collaborating with CBS (most of us in this thread will recognize the irony) on it. From time to time a pristine clip of a scene from ATWT (I don’t think this was done with the other P&G soaps) pops up on the CBS YouTube channel. Of course, these clips were uploaded over a decade ago when the show was cancelled. I am not expecting any acknowledgement from P&G but it would have been so nice if we could’ve gotten something, a few new clips on the CBS YouTube channel, Lord knows I couldn’t even dream that anyone would care enough to migrate those clips to a dedicated As The World Turns YouTube channel. 
Man, it’s times like these that I truly miss the Soaps Classics streaming platform! For a time, they would stream classic episodes, mainly from ‘79 into the 1980s.

4 minutes ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

don’t know why they even bothered.

and as far as dramatic — not knowing her father could (should) have been a real issue for katie; finding out that margo was the one who pulled the plug could have created an emotionally authentic rift between them. 

instead it was as though tptb said, ‘well, i guess we have to say something,’ then just checked it off the list. 

In the last few years, I would sometimes wonder why tptb in the last decade or so seemed to regard the show’s history as disposable. Sometimes I would think that perhaps they just didn’t care or that maybe the writers and executives were clueless or lazy and/or incompetent. But I recently, I thought about this and another aspect entered my thoughts: did these people assume that they no longer had to write for long-time viewers? Were they only absorbed in courting newer and more recent viewers, assuming that whatever long-time viewers would just hang in and watch, just because? I am just curious about the mindset of people who obviously know they are writing/producing a show that has been on air for generations with a long history, characters that were still on the canvas from the early years of the series and yet, decided to chuck so much history in the bin.

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

This forthcoming soap The Gates and P&G’s involvement has gotten me thinking about how much does P&G plan to acknowledge the existence of their IP. Especially since they will be collaborating with CBS (most of us in this thread will recognize the irony) on it. From time to time a pristine clip of a scene from ATWT (I don’t think this was done with the other P&G soaps) pops up on the CBS YouTube channel. Of course, these clips were uploaded over a decade ago when the show was cancelled. I am not expecting any acknowledgement from P&G but it would have been so nice if we could’ve gotten something, a few new clips on the CBS YouTube channel, Lord knows I couldn’t even dream that anyone would care enough to migrate those clips to a dedicated As The World Turns YouTube channel. 
Man, it’s times like these that I truly miss the Soaps Classics streaming platform! For a time, they would stream classic episodes, mainly from ‘79 into the 1980s.

Was SoapClassics the one with AOL? If so, I used to wear the AW, EON, and STF episodes out. That site and WOST used to have all my attention before YouTube came on the scene and folks started posting episodes there. 

I am praying that The Gates leads to P&G opening up their vault and realizing there is an audience that wants to see their shows. I also hopes it leads to P&G possibly considering reviving a show or two. With procedurals being hot, I never understood why they never considered reviving EON. They could've centered the show in a new town and just kept the name and theme of the show, did a continuation with Mike & Nancy's adopted son (Timmy) and grandson (John Victor), OR did a modernized version of the show all over again with a modern day, young Mike Karr. 

 

5 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Was SoapClassics the one with AOL?

No, Soap Classics was the company that issued the DVD box sets. They had their own independently run platform where you could read about the DVD collections on sale and a two streaming sites, on U.S. based and another site based in another country (can’t remember which country). AOL’s streaming platform was long gone by then, I believe.

I really thought Soap Classics did a good job of working with people who really had respect for these shows (ATWT and GL) to curate these DVD collections and providing a well functioning platform where you could red about the DVD collections on sale, place orders and stream classic episodes all in one comprehensive system.

Edited April 2, 20241 yr by DramatistDreamer

9 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

OR did a modernized version of the show all over again with a modern day, young Mike Karr.

That would be my vote, lol!

 

Colleen Zenk for Johnson & Johnson circa 1977.

 

Every time I see CZ, I halfway expect Anthony Herrera to pop up and say, "Hello, Barbara."

Very cool @SoapDope! Has CZ seen this recently? I am not on Twitter but would love to find out what her reaction is to this ad.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Very cool @SoapDope! Has CZ seen this recently? I am not on Twitter but would love to find out what her reaction is to this ad.

It appears the youtuber uploaded it only about a month ago. Someone on Twitter should tell her about it. I saw the thumbnail and said " Hey that's Colleen Zenk aka Barbara".....LOL

Assuming that The Gates actually gets off the ground (I'm not certain what "in development" obligates them to), P&G should make a splash and honor their history in soaps. They could stream some truly classic soap episodes from their library. I'm not sure if that's even possible, with residuals, etc. but it would be nice of them to pay back some of the loyalty their viewers showed them for decades. 

There's nothing so frustrating as missing episodes on youtube. I'm watching GL from the '80's and while you're thankful for what you can find, missing that crucial episode is a bummer.

Did everyone remember Don Hastings birthday on April Fool's? He turned 90. 

2 hours ago, P.J. said:

Assuming that The Gates actually gets off the ground (I'm not certain what "in development" obligates them to), P&G should make a splash and honor their history in soaps. They could stream some truly classic soap episodes from their library. I'm not sure if that's even possible, with residuals, etc. but it would be nice of them to pay back some of the loyalty their viewers showed them for decades. . 

We were discussing this in the thread about The Gates, that it would be a nice overture to long time supporters of P&G soaps if they could do something like what B&B did with classic episodes of their soap, or even have a dedicated YouTube channel for ATWT clips (and one for GL, EON), maybe even put up episodes sometime.

In Development means that a project is past the initial stage of pitch and planning, agreements have likely been drawn up and inked. From what I’ve read, a story Bible is being written. Michele Val Jean has left her job at B&B to work full-time on developing this soap. One point that needs to be remembered is that The Gates is not solely a P&G production, CBS partnering with the NAACP in conjunction with P&G. I am not even sure how much direct involvement P&G will have, especially if CBS is steering this show. I don’t know whether we can expect P&G to have any of the creative or production control that they have traditionally had with their soaps previously, I get the sense that CBS will have a bigger role this time around. And CBS is serious about this soap, or they wouldn’t have partnered with the NAACP. They know that Black women are a huge part of the viewing audience for their daytime soaps over the decades, even though they haven’t been serviced by the stories or content, so they know this is their opportunity to reciprocate on that. If they back out, they will risk alienating a huge part of their audience.

Edited April 5, 20241 yr by DramatistDreamer