And, bellcurve, although this is a fascinating tale... Do you think it kind of foreshadows a possible show for Iyanla on OWN? I mean, I don't think so, when Oprah is done, she is done, but I don't know. I'm a tiny bit confused. Or perhaps she'll have her as a guest on another one?

Sylph I wish Starting Over was available on Youtube, I think you would be fascinated.

And, bellcurve, although this is a fascinating tale... Do you think it kind of foreshadows a possible show for Iyanla on OWN? I mean, I don't think so, when Oprah is done, she is done, but I don't know. I'm a tiny bit confused. Or perhaps she'll have her as a guest on another one?

The only way Iyanla's appearing on OWN is if she's getting financial advice from Suze Orman, mental health advice from Dr. Phil, and tips on living a longer life from Dr. Oz.

There's no way this lady's ready for primetime. She's still as desperate and as pathetic as ever and this interview with her groveling proved that.

Sylph I wish Starting Over was available on Youtube, I think you would be fascinated.

Oh, Carl, thank for the thought. I'm puzzled how I missed that show? It was syndicated?

Oh, Carl, thank for the thought. I'm puzzled how I missed that show? It was syndicated?

Yeah! It was a joint project between Bunim/Murray Productions and NBC.

The only way Iyanla's appearing on OWN is if she's getting financial advice from Suze Orman, mental health advice from Dr. Phil, and tips on living a longer life from Dr. Oz.

There's no way this lady's ready for primetime. She's still as desperate and as pathetic as ever and this interview with her groveling proved that.

Yet she was once such a hot property! The Oprah dumped her, and turns out she did right.

Primetime for her was never really an option.

bell, why do you say that about Rachel Ray (I love her regardless) and Oprah?

bell, why do you say that about Rachel Ray (I love her regardless) and Oprah?

Really? I can't stand Rachael Ray. The only time I ever loved her was on Kimmel in that sketch with Guillermo.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/01/24/racial-ray/

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Sylph I wish Starting Over was available on Youtube, I think you would be fascinated.

Starting Over was amazing, in the darkest, most psycho and melodramatic way possible. Anyone else recall when Iyanla had a woman in a CAGE and when she had another woman roll around in mud only to be hosed off?! Iyanla was the conductor of that crazy train.

I always felt badly for Rhonda, the other life coach, she made so much sense and demonstrated a lot of compassion. She and Iyanla were just so mismatched.

And yes, Barbara Walters is slowly, but surely, revealing herself to be an utter bitch. We all know that Bill Geddie is a pig, so no shocker there...but Barbara, so sneaky, so underhanded. You can give Rosie this: she's never been a liar or a cheat, she's played it all very publicly. Odd that Oprah gets along so well with Leno, another snake in the grass.

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Starting Over was amazing, in the darkest, most psycho and melodramatic way possible. Anyone else recall when Iyanla had a woman in a CAGE and when she had another woman roll around in mud only to be hosed off?! Iyanla was the conductor of that crazy train.

I always felt badly for Rhonda, the other life coach, she made so much sense and demonstrated a lot of compassion. She and Iyanla were just so mismatched.

Did you see my post above? I said the same stuff about Iyanla's greatest hits. At the time some fans tried to have her credentials taken away, I think.

I felt a little bad for Rhonda but I also thought she was patronizing. I preferred Rana, who was dumped after the first - and by far best - season.

My favorite Rhonda moment was when she finally lost all patience with that annoying as hell woman in the first season, the one who was older and divorced and a teacher and trying to start life over. What was her name, Brenda? She would not go along with any of the dates they tried to set her up on and finally Rhonda just blasted her and turned that condescending iciness on full force and reduced her to a quivering wreck.

Did you see my post above? I said the same stuff about Iyanla's greatest hits. At the time some fans tried to have her credentials taken away, I think.

I felt a little bad for Rhonda but I also thought she was patronizing. I preferred Rana, who was dumped after the first - and by far best - season.

My favorite Rhonda moment was when she finally lost all patience with that annoying as hell woman in the first season, the one who was older and divorced and a teacher and trying to start life over. What was her name, Brenda? She would not go along with any of the dates they tried to set her up on and finally Rhonda just blasted her and turned that condescending iciness on full force and reduced her to a quivering wreck.

LOL I didn't see your earlier post! It's amazing that we both mentioned the same things regarding Iyanla's 'greatest hits'...what a hot mess that woman is!

Brenda! She was definitely the most normal, together and fabulous woman on Starting Over. She didn't really need the show, she had her life sorted out and just needed help getting laid, basically. I loved Brenda.

The one who I just loathed was Audrey, that nasty bitch who wanted to be a country singer and who was just delusional about her life and her talent. What was even weirder was that the life coaches basically encouraged Audrey's delusions, it was so strange.

There was another one I liked, a husky woman from the south, Karen? She wanted to be a costume designer and did just that and was fabulous at it.

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Dead Baby Found at Oprah Winfrey's South African Boarding School

(NewsCore) - A dead newborn baby was found at Oprah Winfrey's girls school in South Africa, the South African daily The Times reported Friday.

According to police, a 17-year-old student at the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls gave birth to a child Wednesday and disposed of the body at the school, located 25 miles (40 km) south of Johannesburg.

Police are not sure if the newborn was killed or died of natural causes.

"Yes, the girl gave birth to the baby at the school, but we can't confirm what happened to it. A case of concealment of death is being investigated," police captain Shado Mashobane told the newspaper.

According to the Afrikaans-language newspaper Beeld, the dead newborn was found in a plastic bag filled with bloodied clothes. Police would not confirm the report.

The $46 million school was opened by Winfrey in January 2007 "to nurture, educate and turn gifted South African girls from impoverished backgrounds into the country's future leaders," according to a description on the school's website.

The school, which aims to house 450 girls in grades 7 through 12, offers free tuition, books and uniforms as well as room and board.

Months after the school opened its doors, though, a female staffer was accused of physically and sexually abusing boarders. She was later cleared of all charges.

Winfrey, herself a victim of sexual abuse as a child, traveled to South Africa after the accusations were made to offer her apologies and fired the school's headmistress Nomvuyo Mzamane.

Mzamane filed a defamation lawsuit against Winfrey in 2008, claiming the TV host "launched what amounted to a defamatory campaign" against Mzamane in the aftermath of the scandal.

The suit was later settled out of court and the terms of the settlement were not disclosed.

Wow that's just awful. No one knew this girl was pregnant? You would think, considering Oprah was once herself a pregnant and scared teen, she would have someone in place there, like a counselor, to help these girls through things like this.

Oprah's school has been a very dicey affair from day one.

I wonder if it would function any better if it had been based in the US.

Real talk, these final Oprah promos/celebrity guest rememberances are kinda killin' me. I'm finding myself switching off the emotional light switch. I hate sad goodbyes. I wish they'd gone the upbeat "Hey! Just join me over at OWN!" route.