thats how I feel too. Considering how ugly she makes it out to be, I really dont think they are worth her time. Y&R isnt the only outlet left to make some change and be of use. I think she could do well trying to make her presence felt elsewhere.

The reality if it was that easy EVERY misrepresented/underrepresented minority group would have multiple soaps/shows/networks that DO represent them properly & are equally viable as "mainstream" programming in the current media but they don't.

And those that DO achieve SOME success struggle for years before breaking even (to say nothing of making a profit) and/or making any real progress.

It also gives "mainstream" soaps/shows/networks free passes & doesn't hold them accountable for their continual blatant racist/sexist/homophobic behavior.

Edited August 29, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Darius needs to keep his ignorant-sounding mouth shut until he knows what the hell he's talking about. He does not care about daytime. He cares about a gig. Kristoff isn't much different. Sounds like he'd just rather ride this job out and pad the nest of retirement (while meeting the demands of mortgage and college tuitions) without ruffling any feathers. That's cool, but passivity ain't so sexy and there really is something to the old, "If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything." Bless Victoria for her, "Well then let me fight the fight for you!" Go 'head Vic!

Kristoff is playing it safe. The one time Kristoff stepped out of the box and his "Uncle Tom" label, he was punished and "put in his place" by being forced into a pseudo-vacation.

But even here, you can tell that he knows the deal and that he knows he is viewed as being "expendable" by the brass at Y&R, which is why he said what he said, but carefully chose his words.

That's why I was rooting for him to land that Wayans Brother's pilot and for it to get picked up. Five years/over 100 episodes automatically guarantees syndication, which means royalty checks.

I wonder why Bill Bell didn't hire Alan Carter or at least consider it? Do you think it had anything to do with the fact that he was a reporter/journalist prior to being on Y&R?

The caller was right though about there being too many Uncle Tom's in Hollywood...

It's a Catch 22...either work with the sh!t people give you and keep your mouth shut or risk getting fired by speaking out.

It's a sad situation nonetheless.

The reality if it was that easy EVERY misrepresented/underrepresented minority group would have multiple soaps/shows/networks that DO represent them properly & are equally viable as "mainstream" programming in the current media but they don't.

And those that DO achieve SOME success struggle for years before breaking even (to say nothing of making a profit) and/or making any real progress.

It also gives "mainstream" soaps/shows/networks free passes & doesn't hold them accountable for their continual blatant racist/sexist/homophobic behavior.

oh I get that but I really think Y&R is a dead end. If an actress is allowed to spit on her and another wear a wig in a racially motivated joke and get away with it, not to mention coworkers calling her crazy and she's treated like some opinionated and out of line woman who's stepped out of her place, then they really arent worth her. She says this isnt about her angling for a job, but if she were taken back, what would she do? What change would she bring about? The same people are around that were there when she left. Some of the faces may have changed, but by large, she's going to have to deal with the same people who held her down. That environemnt is too hostile, and I see nothnig but fighting if she were to go back bc lets face it, she's said alot of ugly things since she left and really called her costars out and aired their dirty laundry. Untill theres an overhaul with those in charge at Y&R, I really dont see her as being able to affect their status quo and how they operate. At this point, it would be rather foolish of them to even consider bringing her back. Thats why I think going hard on Y&R is really not a viable option for her and she needs to realize that and move on. Unfortunately with the soaps dwindling, her other options are so limited, but I really think it would be best for her to start fresh somewhere else, at least somewhere that would be more receptive to her, where she hasnt burned bridges with

Edited August 29, 201015 yr by Cheap21

Untill theres an overhaul with those in charge at Y&R, I really dont see her as being able to affect their status quo and how they operate.

There never will be.

This is not a discussion that began or will end with Victoria.

Plenty of actors/actresses of color said the same things before her & will say the same things after her.

The question is when is it about holding those that enforce & benefit from the current paradigm accountable for their actions?

It doesn't matter if she goes back or she doesn't because it's easier to blame the victim than deal with the victimizer.

Edited August 29, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Good in theory, impractical in execution. Producing any type of show costs money. Where would they get the cash to fund a soap opera, which is a dying genre which the shows are axing one by one? And what network would even pick it up. All I could see is My Network and BET

Yes, that is true, any new daily soap at this point would be impossible, but the idea of being creative is what stood out to me. A primetime soap might work better, a network might be perceptive to that, but even that would be a climb.

Edited August 29, 201015 yr by ReddFoxx

Um wow. Part of me wants to say "fight the good fight Victoria", the other part tells me "Is it really worth it? Perhaps it's best to move on, if it's that bad."

Yeah Darius needs to shut up.

Holy crap!

Did someone say "Darius STFU?"

I worry that Kristoff will move up on the [!@#$%^&*] list for that little bit he did say. How fucked up is it that anyone need worry about that? I know it's a fact of life but it shouldn't be.

Can someone explain the tag thing to me? Please don't confirm my worst suspicions.

Darius McCrary: "Hush yo mouth gal, it's good here on dis her plantantion. U stop talkin' such a way. I's feel like DANCIN'!"

Well--that was entertaining indeed. Such an angry energy in that room though.

Darius really needed to STFU. Darius was talking about being a "real n*gga." Yeah, WTF ever stupid sandwich maker!

Maybe he was referring to the fact that of the three of them, he's the only one who ins't an oreo.

Maybe he was referring to the fact that of the three of them, he's the only one who ins't an oreo.

And uh...what does THAT mean?!

However.... Victoria could have bolstered her argument by bringing up Meg Bennett. Although it was strictly FORBIDDEN for Meg to write for her own character... she DID write and act for the show at the same time. I would have used her as an example, and not La Flannery.

Maybe he was referring to the fact that of the three of them, he's the only one who ins't an oreo.

You could very well have a point there, wouldn't be surprised if that's what he meant.

And uh...what does THAT mean?!

There was a sale on white linens?????

And uh...what does THAT mean?!

Rowell and St. John are biracial.