Members Eric83 Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 *applause* Could not have said it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Just imagine how more heated this debate would get if TPTB were actually considering "Chill".... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 They really should go there. And they dont need to make them gay. Why cant they just be getting closer as friends, get drunk one night, hookup, and then deal with the fall out and examine their feelings for eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Right, because there is no such thing as being bisexual. or even a drunken one night stand with a member of the same sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Because, dammit, their love is too strong to be denied, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 thats fine, lol. clam down! No, id love it if Chad was over it and Will was "in love" and pulled a sami with chad as his austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quartermainefan Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 well, this was explored and the show already has all the groundwork in place. Mia could turn anyone off women. Hugh Hefner would turn gay rather than listen to her drone on about something not the least bit interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 No, thank you! Those Luke/Reid/Noah are more than enough! Though, this thread is a welcome departure from the funèbre mood that pervades the threads in recent weeks (Oh! The memories...; Wow, the eighties...; Oh, if... etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jane1978 Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 I don´t see anything homophobic at stating the fact that gay character can only be in relationships with other gays which means the character pool they can choose from is severely limited. And yes, the relationship troubles, geometrics and secrets are usually the center of most soap stories and they certainly are on DAYS. Or I´m the only one who remembers poor Matt Fielding on original Melrose Place? Gay characters (well, any characters) can certainly have long and rich life outside its relationships on soaps, unfortunatelly majority of viewers could care less about it, so characters without interesting social/sex life are spending their life on BB and forever relagated to be just a filler and supporting characters for those lying bitches, deceiving husbands and sexy whores who go from bed to bed. You are right, that "Writing 101" teaches you to explore every single facet and area of a character's life, but it also says it shouldn´t be just for the shock effect and you should very carefully think about what it does to the character´s future. And we are not speaking about movie, where you can imagine the most sad/beautifull story ever, everybody cries at the end and goes home. I´m not arguing that Will and/or Chad coming out couldn´t be an interesting story, but I have huge doubts the show would know what to do with them after the initial period is over. I like the characters, I´m happy the DAYS teen scene is finally getting some firm shape, and I don´t want to see them "sacrificed" just because bunch of vocal gay online fans wants to see them get it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members juniorz1 Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 I can't believe you're mentioning Matt Fielding from a show that premiered 18 YEARS ago! Are you saying we haven't progressed since Melrose Place? What about the complicated gay characters & stories on Brothers & Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Queer as Folk, As The World Turns, and Guiding Light? Or do those shows not count because they fail to prove your point? Hell, they don't even have to make Chad full on gay- it would be FAR more interesting for Will to be the gay one & Chad....well...."confused." That way, as other fans have said, you could have Will scheming & lying to bed Chad, keeping him away from whatever babelicious babe they pair him with, and even pull other characters, like EJ, Sami, Rafe, and Stefano, into the story's orbit. That way, we'd get the angle we're looking for, which is just simply that they explore the chemistry between the actors, AND Will AND Chad end up with one helluva social life. You get your lying bitches & your deceiving husbands & your sexy whores, only their names are Chad and Will and they don't have to support sh!t. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can't say that all facets of a character should be explored & that Will/Chad would be an interesting story, but then go on to say you don't want your precious teen set sacrificed because a bunch of us "gays" want to see them "get it on." Yeah. We're looking for "Chill" porn. Right. On an industry where same-sex kissing has caused advertising boycotts in the past couple years. Yeah all we're hoping for is some hot sex. Do you even see how insulting that is? We're bandying out story ideas, that would even use a character's parents' history, but all you see is a bunch of horny fags that want some gay sex on your screen. Seriously, wby don't you just post what you really mean instead of posting all this politically correct bullsh!t in the middle, k? Fag/Dyke does not equal moron who can be appeased with some double talk. Which is exactly what you're doing. But really, MATT FIELDING? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Out of all days to read this...lol. I'll keep mum though...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Your assessment of what constitutes a soap story is not only, again, completely cliché, but also as you put it severely limited. Is there any reason why there is an erosion of viewers or why people have this f&cked up view of soaps? No one is willing to think outside of the box is exactly why these shows get year renewals and can barely register anything in the ratings these days. Care less about their relationships outside of being gay or both? I mean, call a spade a spade. If you're an 18-49 year old female who doesn't want to see gay relationships explored on the programs you watch, then just say it. It seems like all you're doing is tiptoeing around your own limited world view and homophobia for fear of being branded a bigot. Quit holding your cards close to the vest and come out with it so that we can properly assess your opinions without holds barred. It's this opinion that is shared not only by you, but by executives like you who just wish to see straight, rich, white people f*cking each other with very little, if any, diversity on these shows or any sort of deviation from that storytelling. How utterly boring. But hey, at least you're one of the six who will be left watching it. Oh and yes, we all remember Matt Fielding...the guy who got beat up by thugs on his way home/to work(TWICE), had a drug addiction, was in an abusive relationship and then killed off(off-camera, mind you) without having ever found true love. If that's a template to go by, then I say we rewrite that sucker and elevate the bar instead of using it as a reason to continue the same hackneyed plots and stories. Do what other straight couple do. Get jobs, run the town, get into a love triangle with another core character, straight or bi... And no one would want "Chill" purely for shock value. No story(whether it be movie, short story, soap, anthology series, whatever) should ever be done for shock value, Professor Jane. It should come from somehwhere organic. And from what fans are saying across the board, Chad and Will's chemistry is so. As for the "here today, gone tomorrow" nonsense, all shows should know what do with ALL of their characters down the road. Including to the straight ones you want to watch ad-nauseum. "Sacrificed." You make it sound like these fans want to take these characters and stick fangs in their necks. Look, as a gay person and someone who is not fond of the gay mafia, I find your reasons for not wanting "Chill" are based on ludicrous reasons. Man, I'd hate for you to have a gay son or daughter. You'll do everything you can to keep that kid's Madonna/Melissa Ethredge CDs from them, keep them from playing house/Cowboys and Indians, or keep them from watching soaps/sports. What would you say? "Sorry honey, you can't be gay. I won't let you SACRIFICE yourself to the gay community!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 I dont get this midnset of it being forced for shock value, when really fans are the ones noticing it and wanting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J.W.S Posted July 19, 2010 Author Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 Well Said Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members esp13 Posted July 19, 2010 Members Share Posted July 19, 2010 That may be one of the most presumptious things I've ever read. So, anybody who thinks a Chad/Will pairing would be a good idea must be gay AND just want to see them "get it on."? Well, I'm not gay and neither are several people that I know who also think that Chad/Will have some serious chemistry going on and that exploring that relationship would be a good way to go. Why? Because it could actually be a good story, filled with all sorts of different layers as family and friends accept, or don't accept the situation. And since chemistry is one of the keys to a good story, it's a shame to see good chemistry wasted, as neither Chad nor Will have shown a spark of anything with any of the teenyboppers they've been matched up with. I don't seen a good story as ever being a sacrifice of a character. Lastly, to bellcurve. Outstanding posts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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