Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yes, yes, of course. I forgot to put agreed in quotation marks. It was really all so stupid and I was always whenever I read something about the situation. Such signature Zucker decision, there are no words really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 I wonder. People can be very fickle and have short memories. I don't even know why I care about this since I haven't watched late night TV in ages. Still this situation has rubbed me the wrong way and I'm wishing Leno all the worst as I have since he moved into the 10pm slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 IA. It's obvious in hindsight that they should have made Conan wait and if he wouldn't wait, than so be it. But as things stand now, I'm on team Conan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted January 14, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 This is the problem with conglomeration. If NBC was still its own company, shareholders would be revolting after the effects of the last few years and calling for Zucker’s head. Because NBC is a part of GE, it is insulated from market pressures since GE’s problems are manifold. Zucker is a fool making a short term move to increase the value of NBC in the short run to make GE more money in its sales to Comcast, while detroying the long-term brand value of the company by diluting its future ratings (what will happen when Jay retires?). This is AOL-Time warner on a smaller scale. Screw all these short-sighted executives. They keep destroying the economy with their stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 I'm hoping this really is a temporary situation for Comcast. Just until they find someone else. However, I'm not getting my hopes up that high — I was expecting them to sack him right away. Look what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 But wait. It wasn't his decision to sell. But he did contribute to the sale being inevitable with his stupid decisions. The GE people are also to blame for keeping Zucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted January 14, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 And mark my words, he'll end up somewhere else. I read an article about Zucker's reign of terror and how all the affiliates predicted this would happen years back when Zucker was promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted January 14, 2010 Administrator Share Posted January 14, 2010 NBC is denying TMZ's report: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ia62d19a7acb838db6035b952fde09415 I'm just gonna wait until Nikki Finke's report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yes, we hear the media say it doesn't matter, because other parts of the NBC family, like USA, are doing well, but this type of blunder is still pathetic and easily avoidable, and for all the "no such thing as bad publicity," I think this makes NBC look awful and just reinforces for viewers that they cannot ever trust NBC to do anything right. I do agree with you, julijams, that Leno's ratings will probably have a good increase over Conan when he goes back to the Tonight Show. He's just an easy option for a lot of people. I just hope we aren't going to see the media and the pseudo-journalists at places like Time or EW say gee, look, it worked out all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 Both Leno and NBC look so bad in this situation, Conan comes off as the wronged party. This is a PR disaster for NBC and Leno, and I doubt Leno will be able to recover his audience if he goes back to being the host of The Tonight Show. But it might be higher than Conan's ratings. NBC needs to stop screwing itself over, that network and Zucker are just really pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 1. What doesn't matter? 2. Jay/Conan mess? What? Jay back at The Tonight Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 Leno has always rubbed me the wrong way, I don't care with how many staff members Letterman bangs, he's always been funnier to me, and apparently to Johnny Carson as well. Though, there's something more welcoming about Leno, I guess, he seems to have a wider appeal than his competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 I think what people hate about Leno is this fishy/opportunistic, faithful servant thing who always tries to suck up to the higher ups. And that's why people are transferring a lot of blame on him even though all he did was do as he was told, follow orders. Which is, of course, a lot (of wrong stuff to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted January 14, 2010 Members Share Posted January 14, 2010 And if I'm wrong, and also if I'm not, tell me what else rubbed you the wrong way about Leno here (and elsewhere)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted January 14, 2010 Administrator Share Posted January 14, 2010 Latest Ratings: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/14/conan-obrien-and-jimmy-fallon-top-all-cable-and-broadcast-competition-in-18-49-viewers-for-the-week-of-jan-4-8/38961 For the week Jan 4-8: ADULTS 18-49 11:35 p.m. ET NBC “Tonight,” 1.0 rating, 4 share CBS “Late Show,” 0.9/3 ABC “Nightline,” 1.0/4 TOTAL VIEWERS 11:35 p.m. ET NBC “Tonight,” 2.5 million viewers CBS “Late Show,” 4.0 million viewers ABC “Nightline,” 3.7 million viewers SEASON TO DATE ADULTS 18-49 11:35 p.m. ET NBC “Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien,” 1.0/4 CBS “Late Show,” 1.0/4 ABC “Nightline,” 1.0/4 TOTAL VIEWERS 11:35 p.m. ET NBC “Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien,” 2.5 million viewers CBS “Late Show,” 4.2 million viewers ABC “Nightline,” 4.0 million viewers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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