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OLTL: Discussion for the week September 28

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I just realized Carlivati only has 3 married couples on the show. With respect to what I presume is Bo and Nora's impending reunion, if he is going to develop families on a longterm basis then I hope he's going to move towards solidifying the married couples on the show. Carlivati has proven that he can do something other soaps struggle with by tackling diversity issue and passing with flying colors so I'm hoping he will find a way to overcome the stigma that married couples=boring.

It's a good guess but I thought Jimmy was dead.

So did I but I'm remembering Pamela telling Clint and Bo that her sister was married to a real a**hole who used to beat on Jared and his little brother. Also, if I remember correctly, this guy was the reason Jimmy died. If that guy was involved with Mitch, it's not out of the realm of soapdom for that boy to have been stolen raised by Mitch. I just hope this return doesn't flop like Carlo Hesser's return last year.

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I've always had mixed feelings about the "Cramer women" mythos. Probably because Dorian just uses this as a way to try to keep everyone together. There's never been a strong Cramer woman bond. Most of them can't stand each other. Most of them are very weak women who live for men or who have mental breakdowns. I like Blair and Dorian as individual characters, and I like Addie when they give her good story, but they've never really been a family. Kelly and Cassie especially felt very superior to the other women in the family. So did Adrianna. On OLTL, as the years have passed, being a family means you hurt each other or you ignore each other until something bad happens and then you huddle together for a few weeks. That's how the Buchanans and the Lords operate. The closest OLTL has to families are strong friendships. That's one of the reasons I liked the friendships between characters like Sarah, Layla, and Talia. Or more recently, Fish and Layla/Cris. Or the fleeting friendship between Gigi and Marcie.

From the very first time Dorian said it, I've always felt the whole "We're Cramer women" thing was just OLTL biting off of AMC's "I'm Erica Kane" bit. Then AMC went and stole it right back with their "Kane women" deal.

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Liked today's episode. The chemistry between Kyle and Fish is easy and and cute. I hope the show follows through with this storyline and that the press takes notice. Also, I'm ashamed to admit this, but I LOVE Kim. That girl is just to funny.

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Also, I'm ashamed to admit this, but I LOVE Kim. That girl is just to funny.

Me too!

Her OMG when Gigi ran down Stacy's crimes was hilarious.

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From the very first time Dorian said it, I've always felt the whole "We're Cramer women" thing was just OLTL biting off of AMC's "I'm Erica Kane" bit. Then AMC went and stole it right back with their "Kane women" deal.

Don't the Cramer women precede the Kane women? I mean besides Mona and Erica, who were the "Kane Women" 10 - 15 years ago?

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Don't the Cramer women precede the Kane women? I mean besides Mona and Erica, who were the "Kane Women" 10 - 15 years ago?

Precisely, I'm saying that the first time I heard Dorian's "We're Cramer women" line, it sounded like OLTL's answer to AMC's "I am Erica Kane", these recurring mottos of strength and self-assurance from the divas of the show. Then when Bianca and Kendall came back, Erica started with the "Kane women" thing, and that felt like someone was biting off of OLTL's Cramer women. I dunno, just my thought process/initial reactions as a viewer. But you know, when Erica married Dimitri, Mona had a line as they all looked at each other in the mirror about the "three generations of Kane women" so that seed had been planted pre-Cramers I guess.

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The Cramer women have been around for 35 years, but there have always been so many undercurrents of anger and tension and control in all the relationships, from Melinda/Dorian at the beginning.

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In the 70s, the only Cramer women you had were Dorian and Melinda and Cassie joined in the 80s. Then somehow in the 90s Blair, Addie and Kelly litterally came from nowhere and the whole Cramer Women motif was created

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The whole "Cramer Women" thing can get very tired when the characters are badly written, but when they're done well, there's nothing like it. These days Blair and Dorian are the only ones who really embody it with any kind of authenticity. Kelly's been running from the Cramers her whole life, and Adriana seems to be next in line; they both treat the other women with faint contempt.

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Blair is a pathetic excuse of a woman at the moment. She is everything the "Cramer Women" motif is NOT. Pathetic, desperate, shrewish. She isnt the strong, independent, intelligent woman that Dorian always speaks of when she goes on about the family

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Before I forget, I was going to ask, do any of you pay attention to the scriptwriters at OLTL, are there any you think are particularly good or particularly bad? There's some talk about this in the AMC thread but I usually don't ever remember to notice who writes what episode.

I think OLTL handles their writing a bit differently? at least isn't it often the same two names last in the daily writing credits? *not sure*

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Me too!

Her OMG when Gigi ran down Stacy's crimes was hilarious.

Count me in as a fan of Kim's. She's such a breath of fresh air compared to the whole Rex/Gigi/Stacy mess.

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Blair is a pathetic excuse of a woman at the moment. She is everything the "Cramer Women" motif is NOT. Pathetic, desperate, shrewish. She isnt the strong, independent, intelligent woman that Dorian always speaks of when she goes on about the family

Yeah, if the way Blair is currently written is what being a Cramer woman is all about, then I have to admire Cassie and Adriana for getting the hell out of Dodge.

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